Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:47 pm

I'm pretty sure the gasket covering the hole is keeping out the air. If that was the issue it would have done the same thing before I installed the hopper ring.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:05 am

Most have just been something odd about yesterdays fire as it's burning evenly all across the fire bed now. Definitely love that hopper! Topped it up this morning after the shakedown & it's good for another day. The stove works more efficiently with the hopper installed & filled requiring a lower setting to achieve the same heat level as a higher setting without the hopper.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:44 am

A couple photos of yesterday's project:
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It was a tight fit with the MPD & baro but the set up has tamed my draft & the stove is working as designed. Heat stays in longer, nice low flue pipe temps measured between the stove & baro tee at all times & the house is warmer on a lower stove setting.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:12 pm

That is without a doubt one of the most handsome fireplaces I have seen outside of a magazine! I as well installed a mpd after my box stove and before the baro and see excellent results with draft and burn times. The stove is must more consistant regardless of the different coals used and I feel FOR MY SET UP the mpd has made the bigger contributing factor based on my draft. I have a better understanding why coal burning appliances of days past needed ONLY the mpd or neither with the built in dampers and exhaust paths of the classic B.B. many of us envy. Thanks for the pic's and Merry Christmas!
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Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:57 pm

Depends how strong a draft you are dealing with. I used only the MPD for the first two months of this season & while it was a big help it could not tame the draft like adding the baro has. I'm glad I kept the MPD as I can close it on 25°-30° days like today and reduce the room air draw through the baro without adversely affecting the draft. Also when the temp really drops I think it will be necessary to keep the 6" baro from running wide open.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: oliver power On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:51 am

JohnB wrote:The reason I'm considering burning wood Fall & Spring is that I was told that the coal wouldn't burn well in a manual stove until the outside temps dropped below 40-45*F. I have several friends running Harmon Mark 1 & 2 stoves & they tell me the draft isn't good enough to keep the coal going in early Fall/Spring so they run wood fires. Have I got this right?
Hi JohnB, My reply doesn't mean anything now, as you've already purchased your HITZER 50-93 (Great Stove). You were concerned at first of not being able to burn coal in the 50-93 during warmer outside temps. By now you know the HITZER 50-93 does not have an air wash. Even a weak drafting chimney has to pull air up through the grates. This allows the HITZER to burn during higher outside temps. So, as long as you have draft, the 50-93 will burn. However, the Harman Mark series stoves do have an air wash above the grates. Your buddies may have a hard time burning coal in warmer temps, as a weak draft is most likely pulling the air from the air wash, instead of up through the grates. Just something to think about. By the way, how's that 50-93 doing for you? Oliver
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Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
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Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: Smoker858 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:49 am

I have a Hitzer 50 -93 with a permanent hopper. As you noted the lower hopper boot is removable. I never remove it, quit 30 years of wood 4 year ago. Coal is King. I too loose a draft in the warm months when the air is heavy and the stove temps are low. I initially installed a barometric damper then eliminated it. The bimetallic stove inlet is a fine performer on windy days / nights. The front slide air intake ornamental screw handle - I added a compression spring so the rear plate remains tight to the front plate and actually is easier to slide and position as needed. At the shaker handle, remove said handle, file 4 flats in a 1" heavy washer to close up the gap in the stove. The stove really puts out serious heat.

What was the BTU rating of you Joutel 600? Be patient starting the coal fire, once going it's hard to kill, once a day shake and fill hopper. If your burning really hot you'll see how often you need to shake and fill. Keep a log.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:38 am

oliver power wrote: By now you know the HITZER 50-93 does not have an air wash. Even a weak drafting chimney has to pull air up through the grates. This allows the HITZER to burn during higher outside temps. So, as long as you have draft, the 50-93 will burn. However, the Harman Mark series stoves do have an air wash above the grates. Your buddies may have a hard time burning coal in warmer temps, as a weak draft is most likely pulling the air from the air wash, instead of up through the grates. Just something to think about. By the way, how's that 50-93 doing for you? Oliver


The 50-93 is doing great, especially so since installing the Baro. Every 50-93 might not need a barometric damper but with the draft I have mine is certainly working much, much better with one. It wasn't unusual to see the draft creep up to .2 or higher with the MPD closed on really cold days with no wind. Typically it ran in the .1-.15 range with the MPD closed but would drop down lower as the stove idled back down. 15° this morning & the draft was .065-.07 with the rear air damper open about .5" & the stove in the 450° range. Flue temps measured 8" out from the stove just before the baro run 120° at idle & about 180° when the rear damper is drawing air & the fire is roaring. Before adding the baro I would have seen 360° to 400° flue temps when the stove was pulling air. Now the heat is staying in the stove heating the room instead of being dragged up the chimney. House is warmer & I'm using less coal. What's not to like.

Oliver you are absolutely right about being able to burn coal in my stove at warmer temps. I had a few wood fires in early October but wasn't really thrilled with the Hitzer as a woodstove after years of burning in Jotuls. For the hell of it I tried starting a coal fire in mid October & while it was slow to take off, once started I was able to keep it going even when temps hit 60° to 65° during the day. Being a newbie I did screw up a couple times the first month, losing the fire, but that was due to my own mistakes. It will be interesting to see how long I can keep it going come Spring. I mounted the baro in a 6" tee & bought a cap so when I do want/need to burn wood I can just pull it out & plug the hole.
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:52 am

Smoker858 wrote: The front slide air intake ornamental screw handle - I added a compression spring so the rear plate remains tight to the front plate and actually is easier to slide and position as needed. At the shaker handle, remove said handle, file 4 flats in a 1" heavy washer to close up the gap in the stove. The stove really puts out serious heat.

What was the BTU rating of you Joutel 600? Be patient starting the coal fire, once going it's hard to kill, once a day shake and fill hopper. If your burning really hot you'll see how often you need to shake and fill. Keep a log.


I seldom use the front air vents when burning coal except on really warm days when I shut off the rear vent & just crack open the front vent to keep the coals from dying out. I'll keep the spring mod in mind though. Somewhere I posted a photo of my shaker handle gasket fix. Since the handle on mine will fit right up against the stove body I cut a 2" circle out of a sheet of fiberglass mat insulation & have that sandwiched between the handle mount & the stove. Seals it up nicely.

Jotul claims 81,500 btu max output for the 600 Firelight. It is certainly comparable to the 50-93 so the 100,000 btu number Hitzer lists might be a bit high or Jotul's claim is conservative. Both are excellent stoves that will keep a decent size house toasty but the Hitzer will do it with MUCH less work.

Here's a photo of my shaker gasket:
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Re: Anyone burning wood in a Hitzer Ez-Flow 50-93?

PostBy: JohnB On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:33 pm

I'm finding that one downside to having a normal draft is that I now have to be much more careful about when I open the hopper lid or stove door after a shakedown. Got my first flaming puffback out of the hopper lid yesterday when I attempted to refill the hopper soon after the shake down as I'd previously done. Luckily my face was well away from the opening at the time. Also I'm now using the open ash door trick after the shakedown to get the blue ladies burning sooner. Maybe I'll make up a cover for the baro so I can temporarily push the draft back up to pre baro levels & speed up my recovery times. :)
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