Forum tops 1000 members!

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PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:27 pm

If you buy it in the summer and get enough together for 4 or 5 tri-axles or trailers you'll probably get a favorable deal. Don't expect to get any deal if you can't take with with a large truck(s). Half the time I even wonder if they even care about the people coming off the street. the one plce I know of was charging almost as much for pick-up as they were for delivery.
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:02 pm

JiminBucks wrote:Hey I just had another "crazy idea", Anybody what to buy a Coal Mine? :dancing: Then as owners we could keep it cheap for us , and make alot of money when the price goes up? Any takers?
Today you don't normally buy a coal mine. You lease it from the PA county that owns it. When coal was king, coal mines were in private ownership, as demand faded owners did not pay the taxes and just abandoned the property. In many cases the corporation just doesnt' exist anymore. I would be a large expense for a past mine owner to pay the unpaid taxes and interest.

If you want coal, organize a buyer's cooperative, solve the local distribution problem, find a industrial site with a railroad siding and contract with an existing coal producer to ship by rail. All the major problems I see are on the buyers end, getting a heavy bulky product to the customers home at a affordable transportation cost.
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:20 pm

JiminBucks wrote:Well, Coalberner had a place that was selling it for $120 a ton, I'm sure their not making a killing, so the cost has to be less then that here in NEPA. Even some kind of Co-op might be the way to go. Buy in bulk in the off season and load up in advance!
That Price no longer stands there are now 130.00 a ton with a limit of one ton you must call first before you go to pick -up coal However there are others breaker's selling for 130.00 and 132.00 135.00 140.00 all the coal you want all sizes There are one or two others for less 125.00 a ton but not worth buying The ash content for the good breakers with Quality coal will run between 7 to 14 % 14 being on the high side The rest will be 7 to 12% ash content You need to know where to go ;)
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: GENERD66 On: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:10 pm

I'm in central NY here, I would love to buy a tri-axle truck load. I just don't know the right breaker or trucking Co. to call. If the price was right 2 loads would be nice. 4 plus years per load and the government has'nt put an experation date on coal yet:)
Gene
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:24 pm

GENERD66 wrote:I'm in central NY here, I would love to buy a tri-axle truck load. I just don't know the right breaker or trucking Co. to call. If the price was right 2 loads would be nice. 4 plus years per load and the government has'nt put an experation date on coal yet:)
Gene
4 Years plus Per load How much coal do you go threw in a year 1 Tri - Axle will be 20 to 25 Tons of coal with a 38 foot trailer it will be 30 Tons PM me If you want info
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PostBy: mufwapo On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:56 am

It seems it's the breakers that make the money and most of the work is automated. A friend of mine had a deep mine that he ran himself and paid $1200 a month in royalty payments and only got $20 a ton for the coal. And he was one of the ones underground doing god know's what with dynamite and risking his life. The breakers seem to just run it through a machine and mark it up 700%.
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:10 am

There's a huge amount of expense in running a breaker, the electric bill alone each month will buy you a small house. Equipment expenses, fuel the list is endless. If you think its that profitable give it try but you'll need a couple "too, tree" million to get started and that doesn't include the facilities..
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PostBy: mufwapo On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:35 am

I'd love to get a job in a breaker to find out more about how they work. Anybody know of any hiring? Or even any info on the process of what they do? even pictures would be nice.
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: av8r On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:59 am

coal berner wrote:
GENERD66 wrote:I'm in central NY here, I would love to buy a tri-axle truck load. I just don't know the right breaker or trucking Co. to call. If the price was right 2 loads would be nice. 4 plus years per load and the government has'nt put an experation date on coal yet:)
Gene
4 Years plus Per load How much coal do you go threw in a year 1 Tri - Axle will be 20 to 25 Tons of coal with a 38 foot trailer it will be 30 Tons PM me If you want info


Just curious....Penn Coal quoted me 23-25 tons in a 70' tractor trailer and 2 others have quoted 18 tons in a tri-axle. Are they loading light to stay within the law?
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:02 pm

Guess it depends on the tri-axle, last I checked most were up around 22-23 tons net. Lot of factors there, if for example they are running older ones with steel boxes that adds a lot of weight itself. I don't think I've seen a new one without an aluminum box. There trucks may simply not have the right weight class and/or they cant. Every step up cost more $$$.

25000 gross was $450
31000 gross was $650

(thats from memory) Don't know what tri-axle registration is but it's probably thoudsands.
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: ken On: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:10 pm

dirty jobs with Mike Rowe had one on how they make coke. was very interesting the long prosess it takes to make it. e-mail the show and tell you want to how coal is mined in Pa. and the breakers part in it. just a thought
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:22 am

Make that 1101! I'm guessing its cold outside?
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Re: Forum tops 1000 members!

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:13 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Make that 1101! I'm guessing its cold outside?


1102 :D
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