samhill wrote:RW, you & most others still can't comprehend what it is that I said, a persons past or even possible future make no difference here. It doesn't matter if it was Whitey Bolger that was walking that night, GZ had no right to follow & confront. I got some questions for you & friends where & for how long did each involved take MMA training, does GZ have a history of trouble with the law, & remember GZ had a father that could use influence, the bottom line as I see it is that there is only one side, that's all I ever said. GZ had said he knew nothing of the law but had passed all the law credits he took including coverage of the Stand Your Ground. I've been bloodied more than that in fights I won, I only pulled my gun once in a fight & smacked the guy in the head with it (end of fight) he & I are still friends to this day. I've seen plenty of people shot & killed & none changed their position once hit in the heart (could be just dumb luck). Like I say it is of no importance of what someone did in the past or MAY do in the future it's what they did that night & there is only one side, both may be at fault but only GZ could have avoided it from the start, both had the same right to stand their ground under Florida Law, only one had a gun.
How can a person's past make no difference? How can the fact that Martin was a drug user, a thug, someone who liked to fight and seemed to do it every chance he had make no difference? It actually made no difference because that stuff wasn't allowed into court. The fact that he had liver damage from his drug use wasn't allowed into court. The fact that he talked about wanting to bloody someone up wasn't allowed into court. I think a person's past should certainly come into play when in the court. If you are a stand up citizen you disserve better treatment then a scum bag who has been in trouble 15 times.
Question #1- Neither had MMA training as far as I know. Does that matter? Not really. Anyone who has used their hands at all knows the more you fight, the better you get, and the more confidence you build. Win or lose, you are still building experience. Martin was a fighter, so he had experience. Doesn't matter that he wasn't a trained fighter, if he was he most likely could have controlled himself and wouldn't have ended up dead on the sidewalk. So this is irrelevant. He obviously had more time in the trenches then Zimmerman. That alone is worth it's weight in gold.
Question #2- I believe Zimmerman had a domestic case if I am not mistaken. Misdemeanor charge. Much less then the time Martin would have got for his burglary of houses, drug use, and fighting.
Question #3- Isn't even really a question, but the shear fact that the responding officers weren't even going to arrest him at first speaks VOLUMES.
Martin had no wounds on him like he was struck. Zimmerman did. It is an open-shut case.
I don't care how much you have been bloodied in fights, as someone who is involved in fight sports I know it doesn't take much to knock someone out and it doesn't take more then about 7 seconds to choke them out. His head was being bashed off the concrete. When, in your mind, was it ok to use deadly force? I saw a man killed in less then 7 seconds. All he said was, "Remember me?" then hit a the dude in the jaw. He hit the ground, and the guy stomped on his head until one of his eyeballs popped out. It look literally 7 seconds to go from a living, breathing, healthy man to a dead man. Before anyone in the area could respond it was over. Second Impact Syndrome can kill you quick, and it happens by receiving more brain trauma after the initial concussion/traumatic event. 2 smacks on the concrete could be all it takes to swell your brain and kill you. Do some research on boxers. There is a reason in MMA once a guy hits the ground after a hard punch the ref jumps in. It prevents death.
Just the shear fact that you pulled your gun to hit someone with it speaks volumes. If I ever have to pull mine in a violent situation, it will end in the person tucking tail and running away or the attacker getting shot. My dad always taught me to not pull it unless you plan on pulling the trigger.