Zimmerman found not guilty

Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:28 am

freetown fred wrote:And that my friend, is the BULLSHIT part of our judicial system :mad: :( Had this situation involved 2 white guys--we'd of heard nothing ????????????????????????????????????????????// :wtf:


Or if they had both been black we would have heard nothing. Blacks are commiting genocide on themselves everday in Baltimore and every other major city and there is no outrage. There have been about 50 shootings (black on black) here since the start of July. Where's the NAACP crying about that?

None of us were there and we cannot know exactly how it went down. Here's what we do know. Trayvon Martin was walking behind these homes at midnight on a cold rainy night in February. That's enough to arrouse suspicion since he did not live there. Four minutes went by from the time Zimmerman called 911 to the time Martin was shot. That's more than enough time for Martin to be out of the area if that's what he was trying to do. He chose to stay. Is the penalty for that death? Of course not but when you go "gansta" and attack someone you put yourself in a dangerous position in a state with CCL.

One of the many things about this case that really pisses me off is the constant showing of the pic of Martin when he was 13 and looked like a cute little kid. Why didn't they show the 17 year old pics of him when he mugged for facebook and looked like a thug? Didn't serve their agenda I guess. And then there is the a-hole-in-chief who feels he has to interject himself in these matters saying if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. Pleeeease!
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: mozz On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:29 am

dcrane wrote: Its a tough call... I don't like the fact Zimmerman was the one who was lurking/stocking Martin because he thought he was some kind of civilian police authority "wanna be" (actively looking for anything & everything he could somehow inject himself into in order to "feel like" he's some kind of big shot because he carry's a gun around everywhere he goes). I don't like it one bit! :mad: BUT... In the end, its hard to say he murdered anyone because clearly their was a confrontation and the 17 year old kid was clearly whoppin' his ass for thinking he was some kind of "big shot" and Zimmerman swiftly learned how tough a 17 year old kid can truly be and by the time that point arrived the wheels were set in motion for tragedy (lets hope Zimmerman learned his lesson to stay the F out of injecting himself into other people's business because at some point when you do such things your gonna get a rude awakening!) Zimmerman should have simply called the police to let them know "suspicious activity in the area" and continued on his way home WITHOUT STOPPING AND INJECTING HIMSELF LIKE HE WAS THE AUTHORITY BY WHICH MARTIN HAD TO ANSWER TO. :mad:


I guess you have never called the police about druggies and burglary and have heard "call unfounded". Over and over again. Half the times cops don't even show. You can only take so much of scumbags invading your neighborhood. I went through it. Wrote a lot of letters and called the police a hundred times. My advice to anyone is if the police don't take care of the problem, take care of it yourself. I donated to his original lawyer fund and would do it again. Waiting for the riots to begin, which is what the media wanted in the first place.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:36 am

mozz wrote:
lsayre wrote:Zimmerman still faces both an upcoming "civil suit" and an upcoming "civil rights" suit.


Not in Florida.


I hope you are correct. What about a Federal court? Are not so called "civil rights" ultimately a Federal matter?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:05 am

CNB, since you always seem to want my input on most things here it is, Zimmerman was found not guilty of the two counts in a court of law. But & this pertains to other remarks as well, it was not past midnight, he was in his fathers neighborhood, Zimmerman lives in a different neighborhood, the neighborhood is a racially mixed one. As in everything if there is only one side of a story to be told & no eye witness then only one side is heard & everything else is speculation so the jury worked with what they had & came up with what I believe is the right one based on those facts. I heard someone say this morning that it is a sad thing that 50 years after the M.L.K. "I Have a Dream speech" that a young man is gone for no other reason than the color of his skin & a series of events that can never be known for sure came to a deadly end. It most likely isn't over but it sure would be nice if it were. Almost forgot Zimmerman was told from the very beginning not to follow. If anything this just opens up another can of worms.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:15 am

In case it comes up: Martin relinquished his rights when he initiated force. Zimmerman stayed within the confines of the non-aggression principle when he used force only in self defense, thus retaining his rights. I would assume the jury considered this.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:22 am

samhill wrote:CNB, since you always seem to want my input on most things here it is, Zimmerman was found not guilty of the two counts in a court of law. But & this pertains to other remarks as well, it was not past midnight, he was in his fathers neighborhood, Zimmerman lives in a different neighborhood, the neighborhood is a racially mixed one. As in everything if there is only one side of a story to be told & no eye witness then only one side is heard & everything else is speculation so the jury worked with what they had & came up with what I believe is the right one based on those facts. I heard someone say this morning that it is a sad thing that 50 years after the M.L.K. "I Have a Dream speech" that a young man is gone for no other reason than the color of his skin & a series of events that can never be known for sure came to a deadly end. It most likely isn't over but it sure would be nice if it were. Almost forgot Zimmerman was told from the very beginning not to follow. If anything this just opens up another can of worms.


Sam, Sam, Sam. This young man is gone not because of the color of his skin, but because he chose to assault Zimmerman. Black man jumped on the wrong tan man. I blame it on the gangster mentality that is pervasive in the black community. Maybe you should read the "ghettosburg Adress.
http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:39 am

dcrane wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:Justice has prevailed. It should have never got as far as it did. It is sad that Martin lost his life, but being an aggressor has its risks.


Its a tough call... I don't like the fact Zimmerman was the one who was lurking/stocking Martin because he thought he was some kind of civilian police authority "wanna be" (actively looking for anything & everything he could somehow inject himself into in order to "feel like" he's some kind of big shot because he carry's a gun around everywhere he goes). I don't like it one bit! :mad: BUT... In the end, its hard to say he murdered anyone because clearly their was a confrontation and the 17 year old kid was clearly whoppin' his ass for thinking he was some kind of "big shot" and Zimmerman swiftly learned how tough a 17 year old kid can truly be and by the time that point arrived the wheels were set in motion for tragedy (lets hope Zimmerman learned his lesson to stay the F out of injecting himself into other people's business because at some point when you do such things your gonna get a rude awakening!) Zimmerman should have simply called the police to let them know "suspicious activity in the area" and continued on his way home WITHOUT STOPPING AND INJECTING HIMSELF LIKE HE WAS THE AUTHORITY BY WHICH MARTIN HAD TO ANSWER TO. :mad:


Doug perhaps Zimmerman made some mistakes here but if there was more people like him taking a an active role in their community many of these communities wouldn't have an issue. On another forum there was person criticizing the community I grew up in because the cops showed up while they were looking at a house to buy. As I explained to her there is a lot of long term residents, nearly no crime and the residents want to keep it that way. She moved to Wilkes Barre and 2 years alter was moving out becsue her husband was assaulted and they had numerous other issue with neighbors. It was with great pleasure I pointed out to her that would not have happened in my hometown.

The bottom line is this, if you want safe neighborhoods the community has to take a role. You can't solely rely on the cops.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:51 am

Coal, coal, coal like I said I agree with the decision but now you got me wondering if perhaps others & yourself were there but failed to claim to witness the whole thing. :? History is written but the one's left to write it, the ones gone have no say, so simply because Zimmerman said he was attacked first does that make it a fact? I don't know all the local laws involved but if someone were following me I would probably confront them & if they ID-ed themselves as a block watch or such then I would explain my being there without giving too much info. If he just confronted me & perhaps was aggressively questioning what I was doing right off the bat then I would most likely deck them as well but that's just me (not saying that's what happened, I wasn't there) if the person wasn't out I wouldn't have jumped him unless he made another move. What the kid should have done IMHO is hung up on his girlfriend & called 911 himself but perhaps that's an old mans view.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:12 am

Ahhhh yes, the old shoulda, coulda & woulda's :clap: toothy
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:21 am

What the kid should have done IMHO is hung up on his girlfriend & called 911 himself but perhaps that's an old mans view.


Hello, hello 911, this is Zimmerman and I would like to report a man looking suspicious.

What do you mean suspicious?

Well he is black and has a hood

Get off the phone, my coffee is getting cold.

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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:25 am

Not the old one Fred, normally no one ends up dead. I think what we have here is a spoiled want to be cop & that can be even worse than the hard line cops that think they are the judge, jury & executioner.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:28 am

Thanks CNB, once again your reply is way beyond my limits but I'm sure it makes perfect sense to you now go back & play er slay yourself er whatever it is you like to do with yourself. :roll:
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:47 am

samhill wrote:Coal, coal, coal like I said I agree with the decision but now you got me wondering if perhaps others & yourself were there but failed to claim to witness the whole thing. :? History is written but the one's left to write it, the ones gone have no say, so simply because Zimmerman said he was attacked first does that make it a fact? I don't know all the local laws involved but if someone were following me I would probably confront them & if they ID-ed themselves as a block watch or such then I would explain my being there without giving too much info. If he just confronted me & perhaps was aggressively questioning what I was doing right off the bat then I would most likely deck them as well but that's just me (not saying that's what happened, I wasn't there) if the person wasn't out I wouldn't have jumped him unless he made another move. What the kid should have done IMHO is hung up on his girlfriend & called 911 himself but perhaps that's an old mans view.


Sam you really are very frustrating to debate/post with cause you only read the parts you think support your flimsy side of this issue and then expound way beyond what the other person said. There are more than enough libs weinies in my state and neighborhood for me to duel with. I'll let others take up the cause with you. You give me a headache.

I don't want to get Richard in any trouble with trademark concerns so I'll post links only. But here's the Trayvon Martin the press presented and here's him presenting himself.
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw= ... 2,s:0,i:94

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw= ... ,s:0,i:106

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw= ... ,s:0,i:391
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:11 pm

samhill wrote:I think what we have here is a spoiled want to be cop & that can be even worse than the hard line cops that think they are the judge, jury & executioner.

Nothing like constructing an imaginary scenario to justify an assault on a concerned citizen acting as a neighborhood watch in an effort to lower crime.

Is it only the state that can deter crime and the citizen has no right and should mind his own business? How would it have been different if Zimmerman had been a uniformed police officer? Would it then be wrong to assault him? If so, why?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:54 pm

Im still completely befuddled....how is Zimmerman considered white? Martin attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman shot martin. See end of story. First attacked then shot, cant be any closer to self defense.
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