Zimmerman found not guilty

Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:33 pm

How long does someone have to follow/question me before I can legally punch him in the face?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:57 pm

samhill wrote:I never said that Zimmerman broke any laws, I don't know, laws are different everywhere but I also don't know who threw the first punch if I were Zimmerman I would say the same thing if it were to save my butt. TM had some pot in his system, depending on the test done that can go back a long way, last I knew pot tended to mellow one out but it could just be IMO, illegal yes but so are many things so I'll say this one last time I believe the jury came to the right conclusion with the evidence presented & the law & I hope it ends there.



Fair enough. I never felt Zimmerman was 100% without poor decisions. Just that he was legal ( as far as we know ) and he had every right to be where he was. Jury came back with the correct verdict given the facts presented. A lot of people keep saying he was just a 17yr old kid. I know I wouldn't want to get into a scuttle with a 17yr old kid at my age. Or even a 30. It is all about the guns and a non black (" crazy ass cracker ") who happened to kill a black kid in self defense. It shouldn't be about either. Just 2 people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and one decided to escalate the situation and lost. Unfortunately he paid for his decision with his life. And the other will have to live with the ramifications. If Martin caved in Zimmerman's skull and killed him it would have just been another murder.
This whole racial and PC *censored* is getting much worse. Somewhere we all need to ignore the color of skin and just see the facts as they are presented. If the roles were reversed I would see it the same way. Self defense.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:04 pm

jpete wrote:How long does someone have to follow/question me before I can legally punch him in the face?



Walk through someones else's property in a high crime area and see how things go. Be careful I think after this mess the 3 S's will be used more in the future.


BTW . Less than 4mins.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:18 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
jpete wrote:How long does someone have to follow/question me before I can legally punch him in the face?



Walk through someones else's property in a high crime area and see how things go. Be careful I think after this mess the 3 S's will be used more in the future.


BTW . Less than 4mins.


That's not what I asked.

I asked when it becomes legal for me to assault someone who is following me or otherwise questioning me.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:54 pm

I asked when it becomes legal for me to assault someone who is following me or otherwise questioning me.


And of course the answer is never. Because as I said way back there somewhere, you just escalated the event to the next level and made your demise a legal possibility. As Sam says, and I almost never quote Sam, the winner writes history. If I an going to get into a "situation" I am going to win or write history.

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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:24 pm

jpete wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:
jpete wrote:How long does someone have to follow/question me before I can legally punch him in the face?



Walk through someones else's property in a high crime area and see how things go. Be careful I think after this mess the 3 S's will be used more in the future.


BTW . Less than 4mins.


That's not what I asked.

I asked when it becomes legal for me to assault someone who is following me or otherwise questioning me.



My point is. Why punch someone in the face for asking questions. Not illegal to question a stranger in your development.


It would never be legal. It is assault and may be met with equal or greater force. Although you know that,which is why I may be confused as to why you are asking.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:15 am

Just trying to lay the foundation for the people who say that GZ was "told to stop following" or "if GZ hadn't got out of his car" or some other such nonsense.

Was GZ overzealous? Probably.

Did that give TM any legal basis to retaliate? Not in my view.

I've heard many people on TV as well as in the few forums I frequent claim that TM was "defending himself". They are suggesting that being followed and/or questioned is an "attack" which requires a "defense".

I don't see it that way.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:21 am

I can't comment on the case, but I am a bit ruffled that Obama is taking the time to stick his nose into it. He made it clear to me that he thinks Zimmerman is guilty with the (not quite a quote) "If I had a son he'd look like him" thing. Then he tried using it to promote his no American should have a gun clause....and don't tell me he doesn't want that...

A quote from Obama's lips after the verdict: “We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin,”

What does that say other than he thinks Zimmerman should have been unarmed?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:56 am

jpete wrote:Just trying to lay the foundation for the people who say that GZ was "told to stop following" or "if GZ hadn't got out of his car" or some other such nonsense.

Was GZ overzealous? Probably.

Did that give TM any legal basis to retaliate? Not in my view.

I've heard many people on TV as well as in the few forums I frequent claim that TM was "defending himself". They are suggesting that being followed and/or questioned is an "attack" which requires a "defense".

I don't see it that way.



Thanks, now I understand. And agree.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:15 am

jpete wrote:Just trying to lay the foundation for the people who say that GZ was "told to stop following" or "if GZ hadn't got out of his car" or some other such nonsense.

Was GZ overzealous? Probably.

Did that give TM any legal basis to retaliate? Not in my view.

I've heard many people on TV as well as in the few forums I frequent claim that TM was "defending himself". They are suggesting that being followed and/or questioned is an "attack" which requires a "defense".

I don't see it that way.


good point pete... no matter how much of a dick Zim may have been to him did not give him the right to physically retaliate against him. I guess all these points you guys are making are precisely what the jury viewed and why they handed down a fast "not guilty" and I agree with Dave that their are many 17 year old kids who could whoop are ass without even busting a sweat :lol:
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:03 am

The one & only thing I was trying to get across is that there is only one side to a story like this, we will never know why or even if TM punched first, as someone said why would someone punch if asked a simple question. As for the bashing his head in I do near that if I don't duck low enough getting out of the shower, I've had my nose broke or even attempted broken & bled like crazy with the eyes soon watering but there was no blood to be seen in the arrest videos that I saw & he sought no medical attention, those are the things that I question. It's unfortunate that it has become a racial thing because it took away from other questions.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:30 am

samhill wrote:The one & only thing I was trying to get across is that there is only one side to a story like this, we will never know why or even if TM punched first, as someone said why would someone punch if asked a simple question. As for the bashing his head in I do near that if I don't duck low enough getting out of the shower, I've had my nose broke or even attempted broken & bled like crazy with the eyes soon watering but there was no blood to be seen in the arrest videos that I saw & he sought no medical attention, those are the things that I question. It's unfortunate that it has become a racial thing because it took away from other questions.


Yea I question a lot also and the whole thing just stinks to hell :( The only thing I know for sure is the Jury did correct and did what they had to.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:20 am

samhill wrote:It's unfortunate that it has become a racial thing because it took away from other questions.


I beg to differ. It did not take away from anything. The jury was not instructed to weigh race as a component in the issues they were instructed to deliberate. To intorduce that into the courtroom would have required that Zimmerman be charged for a "Hate Crime" by Homeland Security. He was not so charged, and that was not as issue for this court. Only the totally irrelevant media circus made such allogations.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:39 am

Isayre, I never said that there should be a hate crime charge but the race card was brought into it with the release of the 911 tapes & I believe that's where the race part was picked up by the media. Once again I will say I agree with the decision but the media only reported what was said & others like the NAACP & such took it from there. It was an odd jury selection but both sides agreed to it (if their law is the same as Pa.) but if anything I would think that it would have helped TM so I really think they made a tough decision & kept it to the letter of the law & motherly instincts aside, they did an excellent job.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:46 am

As far as I'm concerned, all of the events leading up to the physical altercation are irrelevant.

Dude was getting his ass beat and feared for his life. That is the only thing that should be considered. He did what he felt was nessesary.

Its called self preservation, an instinct that is born into you.
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