Zimmerman found not guilty

Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:10 am

dcrane wrote: are many 17 year old kids who could whoop are ass without even busting a sweat :lol:


My nephew just turned 16, he's 6'2" and about 200 pounds. He also has a black belt... probably not a good idea for most people to tangle with him and the scary part is he's not done growing yet. :shock:

I won't admit it to him but I wouldn't want to fight him.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:49 am

A little more on the events that unfolded.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/ ... ayvon.html

6:21

Trayvon Martin is seen on the security video through the 7-11 window approaching the store from the direction of the Retreat at Twin Lakes. He had been staying there at the townhouse of his father's girlfriend, Brandy Green. In major media accounts, the helpful Trayvon ventured out in the rain in a mile-plus round trip to buy Brandy's 14-year-old son, Chad, some Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea. Not likely.

6:22

Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.

Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.

On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.

6:23

Trayvon pays for his purchases. He then appears to point to an item behind the counter, but the clerk seems to reject that option. Trayvon turns from the counter with a couple of dollar bills still in his hand.

6:24

Trayvon leaves the 7-11, but we do not see him walk in front of the store window back towards Brandy's home.

6:25

Three squirrely young men enter the 7-11, all of them with their faces concealed in part or in full. The clerk had to have been nervous. One of the three (Curly) takes off his hat and shakes out his long, curly dark hair. He is likely either white or Hispanic, or, like Zimmerman, a "white Hispanic."

6:27

Curly appears to be holding the two bills Trayvon walked out with. He approaches the clerk and buys two cheap cigars from behind the counter and then a third one as an afterthought.

6:28

Curly is the first of three to exit. The others will follow in a minute.

6:29

Trayvon, turning as he walks, can be seen through the window heading back towards the Retreat at Twin Lakes and Brandy's house.

7:09

Zimmerman calls police while watching Trayvon near the gated community's clubhouse, less than a half-mile from the 7-11. According to "Dee-Dee," the girl Trayvon was periodically talking to on his cell phone, he was ducking in out of the rain. She also said he put his hoodie up for the same reason. In fact, though, Trayvon had his hoodie up inside the 7-11, and he was walking in the rain when Zimmerman spotted him. The walk to this point should have taken 10 minutes.

It took 40 minutes. Some background may help explain why. Earlier that same month, Trayvon had been caught at school holding a bag with marijuana residue and a marijuana pipe. He was suspended for the third time that school year, this time for ten days. Trayvon may have been dealing as well. As one online friend had communicated earlier, "Damn were u at a n!@@*^ need a plant."

Trayvon was partial to "blunts," street slang for cannabis rolled with the tobacco-leaf wrapper from an inexpensive cigar called a "blunt." As a tribute after his death, one friend posted online a photo of a homemade badge honoring Trayvon positioned next to a blunt.

It seems altogether possible that Curly bought at least one of those cigars for the under-aged Trayvon and took those visible dollar bills as payment. Trayvon waited five minutes outside the 7-11 and did not leave until after Curly came out. In the 40 minutes before Zimmerman spotted him, Trayvon could have scraped the tobacco out of the cigar, replaced it with marijuana, and smoked his blunt.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good," Zimmerman tells the police. "Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Trayvon was on drugs or had been recently. His autopsy showed the presence of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in both his blood and his urine.

It is possible too that Trayvon was up to no good. "He's just staring, looking at all the houses," says Zimmerman. Trayvon had a history. On October 21, 2011, he received his second suspension that school year. A security guard at his school saw Trayvon writing "WTF" on a hallway locker. In looking through his bag for the marker, the guard found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch, and a "burglary tool."

Zimmerman did the prudent thing by reporting Trayvon to the police. Ever since the Florida real estate bust, the Retreat at Twin Lakes had been troubled by vacancies, foreclosures, and renters of dubious repute. The community had suffered numerous break-ins and home invasions, the perpetrators of which were all young men, most of them black. "We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department," reads the standard neighborhood watch sign at the community's gated entrance. If Trayvon did not fit the bill, no one did.

7:10

"He's coming towards me," Zimmerman tells the police about Trayvon, who is now walking towards his truck. He makes his first firm identification of Trayvon as "a black male." Adds Zimmerman, "He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands." Zimmerman sounds a little anxious: "Please, get an officer over here."

7:11

After Trayvon passes his truck, Zimmerman says, "*censored*, he's running." He is heading towards "the back entrance," says Zimmerman. That entrance is in the same general direction as Brandy's townhouse. A question that goes unasked is why Trayvon was running.

7:12

When asked by the dispatcher, Zimmerman agrees not to follow Trayvon, and his heavy breathing ends. "He ran," says Zimmerman. Even if running slowly, Trayvon could have made it to Brandy's house in a half a minute. It was only 100 yards from the truck.

7:13

Zimmerman is hesitant to give out his address. "I don't know where this kid is." He looks around to see where Trayvon has gone, fails to spot him, terminates his call, and heads back to the truck.

7:14 - 7:16

These are the missing two minutes. After receiving a call from Dee-Dee, Trayvon has come back to confront Zimmerman. Their final confrontation takes place 70 yards from Brandy's townhouse and only 30 yards from Zimmerman's truck. No one hunted Trayvon down. Although he has kept the drink and candy on his person, Trayvon does not have a blunt with him.

According to the autopsy report, Trayvon was 5'11" tall and weighed 158 pounds, the "ideal healthy weight" at that height being 160 pounds. He was not the skinny little boy with the Skittles that half of America still believes him to be. He was at least three inches taller than Zimmerman and only about 20 pounds lighter.

His home life a wreck, his school life in disarray, Trayvon had fallen victim to urban America's lost boy culture.

This culture, which the media also choose not to see, has been shockingly destructive. Citing Bureau of Justice statistics, black economist Walter Williams in a recent column notes that "between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims." Of these, Williams estimates that roughly "262,621 were murdered by other blacks."

Trayvon had "statistic" written all over him. In the past year or so, his social media sites showed a growing interest in drugs, in mixed martial arts-style street fighting, in a profoundly vulgar exploitation of "bitches."

Trayvon posed for one photo with raised middle fingers, another with wads of cash held in an out-stretched arm. One YouTube video shows him refereeing a fight club-style street fight. A cousin had recently tweeted him, "Yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver," meaning, if true, that Trayvon had punched out a bus driver.

Zimmerman never saw the cute little boy that the TV audience did. He saw a full-grown man, a druggy, a wannabe street fighter, the tattooed, gold-grilled, self-dubbed "No_Limit_N!&&@^."

Media obfuscation may still work in the court of public opinion -- it got Obama elected in 2008 -- but it will not work in a court of law. The truth should come out. When it does, the major media will lose a good chunk of whatever credibility they have left, and our nation may lose a good chunk of its urban real estate.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:40 pm

lsayre wrote:
samhill wrote:It's unfortunate that it has become a racial thing because it took away from other questions.


Only the totally irrelevant media circus made such allogations.


Almost forgot. Ditto our President.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:33 pm

wow Dave... that sheds a whole new light from all that propaganda ive seemingly been fead for the last year :shock:
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:23 pm

Why is a civil trial not considered double jeopardy when it follows a criminal trial? Any if piled on top of that, why would a civil rights trial (hate crime I assume) not be considered triple jeopardy?

Check this out: http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition

Will you be signing?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:51 pm

I can't even speak on that kind of stupidity--thanx for the link Larry---really pathetic--I was going to send a personal note but figured the A-holes would count it as a yay vote :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:37 pm

This seems pretty cut and dry. You chose to put your hands on someone in a physical and violent way and you have made a life or death decision. You don't know who is carrying a weapon. You don't know who you are choosing to confront. Say Zimmerman was an MMA fighter and when Martin confronted him and started the fight, Zimmerman beat him to death? Do we have the same media blitz, or does no one care? Say Zimmerman stabbed him?

All that matters to the liberal media is that a black kid was killed by a gun that was carried legally. Lets take the focus off the thousands that kill each other with illegal guns and put the focus on the one legal carry citizen that refused to be a victim. I don't see the protests in the streets for the black on black crime that happens every single hour of the day, but this causes an uproar?

The kid was a thug. A wannabe gangster who had 2 life paths: prison or death. His went down the death path. Too bad for him. Keep your hands off people and mind your own business and you will usually make it through life without much of a scuffle.

As far as it being "unbelievable" that a 17 year old could beat up an older man, think again. There are some 17 year olds that make us look SMALL. This kid is 18: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9WRf9ZGxk8. How many of you want to tangle hands on with him? If he were to attack you, how many could handle themselves whether he knew how to fight or not?? If Zimmerman had zero hands on skill and Martin was attacking him, it is easy to see how Zimmerman could fear for his life. If you have ever been on the bottom of an ass whopping, it is a place that is no fun and you have split seconds to make decisions that could save your life.

I once saw a man get hit in the chin, fall to the sidewalk, and get his head stomped nearly flat (losing an eyeball in the process) in less then 7 seconds and before anyone could respond and break it up. When do you decide it is time to pull your gun?

For me, the answer is simple. I am not allowing you to get close enough to touch me without having you stare down the barrel of a .45. The next move is up to you.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:20 pm

lsayre wrote:Why is a civil trial not considered double jeopardy when it follows a criminal trial? Any if piled on top of that, why would a civil rights trial (hate crime I assume) not be considered triple jeopardy?

Check this out: http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition

Will you be signing?


The reason im sure is because criminal / civil are totally different courts with totally different rules (the main one being that in a civil case its simply a matter of "more likely than not", where the criminal case would be "beyond any reasonable doubt"). The Government is always 100% of the time the plaintiff in any criminal case (you can go to jail :cry: ), In a civil case it can be anyone and everyone who is the plaintiff (and you cant ever go to jail :lol: ). SO... The double jep is really targeted at the government and nobody else. There are similar things in Civil court that do the same thing but they are called something else and their is a procedure to enact them.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:14 pm

Eric Holder wants hate crime charges brought against George Zimmerman:


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Holder-Trayvon-unnecessary-shooting/2013/07/15/id/515088?s=al&promo_code=142D2-1
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Question for the day: If you have been found innocent of murder due to justifiable self defense, how can you be found guilty of committing a hate crime?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 pm

If Florida is a stand your ground state then I believe you cannot be taken to civil court.

Correct?
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:53 pm

Eric Holder should be in jail for lying to congress. And Fast and furious. FBHO and FEH
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:10 pm

The petition to bring Homeland Security (civil rights, hate crime) charges against George Zimmerman now exceeds 700,000 signatures and rising. Freetown, I'm glad you didn't submit a comment, as you would have been counted among them. It is a one way vote. We are no longer a nation of law, but rather we are a nation of men (as in democratic mobs).

The republican core and essence of our nation has been turned upside down and we have achieved democracy. John Adams dream of “a nation of laws, not of men,” (I,E., a Republic, not a Democracy) is no more.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: gaw On: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:02 am

Much like smallpox, Trayvon and his contributions to society will be greatly missed.
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:12 am

Watchin all this crap out in LA, it sadly strikes me that for eons, blacks have cried about how whitey has been prosecuting them for ever. "the man, holding them down" So now it's about a Hispanic getting into the game & now I'm sure, that portion of society feeling that the Hispanics are prosecuting them---must suk being a worthless VICTIM all the time. Get over it :mad:
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Re: Zimmerman found not guilty

PostBy: gaw On: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:24 am

I just can’t see how Zimmerman got off, just listen to the star witness, this should be an open and shut slam dunk case.
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