Detroit

Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:39 pm

Your link inferred that FDR knew what he was doing. I was eyewitness at that time and yes people were reasonably content but they did it on a whole lot less. Expectations were lower and in some respects it was a better country than today, certainly healthier mentally with more concentration on basic needs rather than obsessing on useless crap. Drugs were almost unheard of. Schools were better with larger classes, sometimes with two grades in one room.

The Federal government does not make auto makers contracts, at least it did not used to. Union extortion is hard to resist and when a downturn came they went bust. Why do you think they left if not for an impossible place to do business? Both business and money go to places where they are treated well. So do people in general.

To blame Bush is a little too easy just because things blew up on his watch. Most of the policies at fault were hatched before him and took time to work their destruction. This is not to say I don't think Bush is also guilty of mistakes. There is an excellent chance the current President(Robbing Hood) will survive today's mess and have the next President take the fall when the economy collapses.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:01 pm

samhill wrote:Franco, exactly when, who, why & how were the producers driven out, where was the big exodus & what corrupt party was in office during those times? Don't know if GDR was a hero or not but it seems to work at that time, like with everything hindsight is 20/20. What & who was in office to bring on the bankruptcy of two automakers & untold other businesses? Easy to point & ignore. :roll:


Ignore what exactly?

Detroit has been under Democrat control for six decades.

That's the answer to your question which you seem to have no trouble ignoring.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:02 pm

franco b wrote:This is not to say I don't think Bush is also guilty of mistakes.


Mistakes are unintentional.

What has been going on for the last 100 years is POLICY.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:24 pm

jpete wrote:
franco b wrote:This is not to say I don't think Bush is also guilty of mistakes.


Mistakes are unintentional.

What has been going on for the last 100 years is POLICY.


I do think his mistakes were unintentional.

100 years brings us to the founding of the Fed. which had as a founding principal the protection of the dollar. How things change.

Policy has changed a lot in 100 years. For example I posted an essay on how Harding handled recession which was quite different from today.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:51 pm

franco b wrote:I do think his mistakes were unintentional.


Nothing unintentional about the "GWOT" or the PATRIOT Act or indefinite detention or Medicare Part D(yeah, everyone always forgets that one).

He was utter trash and the only POTUS that made me ashamed of my vote.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:07 pm

Franco, I'll give you 51years in Detroit but that's the city, not much to do with the industry. I said many cities all across the country are in the same boat, when did it all start going to hell, when did these great American businesses all start finding it lucrative to leave? Of the last 50 years who has been in the W.H., for a good part of it there was one family name as either V.P. or Pres.. FDR had to recover from a war, we were in two (now one) without paying a dime budget wise don't you think that money had to come from somewhere? There have been plenty of mistakes all around, corruption has been the norm for so long many don't even consider it as such, the point is if it's always blaming one side & never accepting any responsibility nothing will ever change. It wasn't just political, it was both business & union as well, guess you didn't even read any of that last link but rather just think if it's coming from me it's BS. :(
Here's another bunch of lies for you to debunk but I'm sure you'll just jump to something else.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:03 pm

samhill wrote:There have been plenty of mistakes all around, corruption has been the norm for so long many don't even consider it as such, the point is if it's always blaming one side & never accepting any responsibility nothing will ever change. It wasn't just political, it was both business & union as well,

Sam when there is balance in your arguments I pretty much agree. I can even agree that many Liberal aims are desirable, just not possible without causing more harm than good effects. Social reform is great as long as you don't destroy the individual who creates the wealth to finance it. Something is very wrong when half the population lives off government which is where we are headed if not there already.

Here is a picture of a poor fella who obviously can no longer afford even a comb.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:46 pm

That's from scratching his head trying to figure out where & how to hide more money. I have never said I support welfare or some other lifelong support programs, most of which keep getting perpetuated by both sides. The issue at hand is wanting to give "what" a lifelong support program to free enterprise? Getting something for nothing is wrong on both ends of the spectrum, there should be no such thing as free food, housing, medical care or a tax holiday, if you earn you pay your own way.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:54 pm

samhill wrote:That's from scratching his head trying to figure out where & how to hide more money. I have never said I support welfare or some other lifelong support programs, most of which keep getting perpetuated by both sides. The issue at hand is wanting to give "what" a lifelong support program to free enterprise? Getting something for nothing is wrong on both ends of the spectrum, there should be no such thing as free food, housing, medical care or a tax holiday, if you earn you pay your own way.

That's why I would trust you further than the guy we have now.

The fella in the picture is now financing studies in the use of thorium and other elements as a nuclear fuel. No problem with waste products or emissions and can't make a bomb from it. Thorium is also far more plentiful than uranium.

It's probably a long shot but what would the country owe if successful? An individual free to call his own shots. Might be worth all that boot licking with Obama.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:10 pm

franco b wrote:That's why I would trust you further than the guy we have now.

The fella in the picture is now financing studies in the use of thorium and other elements as a nuclear fuel. No problem with waste products or emissions and can't make a bomb from it. Thorium is also far more plentiful than uranium.

It's probably a long shot but what would the country owe if successful? An individual free to call his own shots. Might be worth all that boot licking with Obama.


He's also buying up lots and lots of seeds and storing them in huge underground bunkers.

I guess you don't get rich by not hedging your bets. ;)
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:34 pm

jpete wrote:He's also buying up lots and lots of seeds and storing them in huge underground bunkers.

I guess you don't get rich by not hedging your bets.


Even if he saves the world God forbid he should make a profit from it.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:05 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:He's also buying up lots and lots of seeds and storing them in huge underground bunkers.

I guess you don't get rich by not hedging your bets.


Even if he saves the world God forbid he should make a profit from it.


He can make all the profit he wants. But I'm not sure "saving the world" is high on his list.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:07 am

Detroit's problems in a nutshell ...

Keep in mind, this was filmed in '09 too!

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Re: Detroit

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:44 pm

Attend a real estate seminar in Asia and receive a free property just for attending. Guess where:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... state.html

They are rubbing it in our faces.
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Re: Detroit

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:59 pm

I wonder what real estate taxes are. Probably some are higher than the house is worth but somebody has to pay for all those valuable services the city provides.
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