new to the forum and i have questions

new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: kytara7 On: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:11 am

I just bought a warm morning 460 b and i currently use propane.I own my own tank and pay 2.14 a gallon.I would like to supplment my heat with coal or vice versa.I have a 3 story home which if the power goes out i would not have heat for my first two floors.Upstairs i have a propane fireplace that i can hand fire.The bottom floor where the wm will be has a register which will heat both floors.Do you think it's worth setting this xtra fuel supply do to the fact the stack is expense going all the way up.Is there a discount place where i could buy the class a pipe.have you folks every combine wood and coal to heat your house and will it effect coal burn.Where do you get your coal i know northeast nursery and boston coal.I live in the northeast.
kytara7
 
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 460 b

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:36 am

Firstly, welcome to the forum. Next, could you please be more specific about where in the NE? Now.....a 'class A chimney' on a 3 story home.....especially if it is outside of the structure. No cheap for the SS piping and fittings. You have a great price on propane and if you go back to your 'profile page' and enable the 'PM' radio button, you can converse directly with any member in private. It is helpful sometimes if you don't want to ask a question or make a statement you thing is not for discussion with everyone else who can see it. Good stove, very user-friendly and reliable. Can't kill them either. You need Nut or Stove coal so PM me and I'll give you all the info i have available. :idea:
whistlenut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks Boiler,Itasca415,NYer130,Van Wert
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Yellow Flame
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska,Gibraltor,Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Van Wert, NYer's, Ford,Jensen.
Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: kytara7 On: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:44 pm

Im in georgetown ma.I found out today i can buy propane for 2:04 a gallon and i was in natick fireplace and they told me if i went with a dv gas stove i could save money. The way he explained it was If my furance is 133000 btu(i just looked) and im running a 48,000 btu downstairs and running thru register it will save me little more than half in heating cost.Here's the kicker i dont have a free standing gas stove and i would still need to buy 300 hundred dollars worth of pipe have someone run a line or i just found out i can pay around 750 on ss pipe with the cap brackets and complete thru wall kit but have to pay for installation.What do you folks think.Plus i would be running an alternative fuel.P.S i spoke to boston coal this morning and they told me a ton of coal is 1 millom btu.I have a ton of questions.Does anyone know how much btu thw 460 b throws out?I tried to enable p.m. but didn't see the radio enable you were talking about.
kytara7
 
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 460 b


Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:58 pm

Coal stoves are available with the direct vent feature also. :)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:28 am

welcome to the forums! I just sold a house to a wonderful family coming from Georgetown (I nearly hit the floor when I looked at what they sold their house for up their :eek2: so I'm not sure many people in that town worry about saving money :lol: )
I have propane for my kitchen stove and I hate it! (they jack the bills as soon as they "gotcha" it seems), Propane is not N/G but more like having Oil (but worst because nobody else will come fill your tank and your at the mercy of 1 provider forever), we all know Oil is like a blood/money sucking devil! I think the value of being independent and self reliant while enjoying the old fashion warmth and atmosphere for decades of a quality wood or coal stove is worth putting up a masonry chimney (FYI: the only reason to use wood is if your wood is 100% free and your still young). When I see the costs of these Exterior Dbl Wall SS chimney's (ugly as all heck) it makes zero sense to me not to call a mason and just put up the real deal that will last a lifetime!
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: kytara7 On: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:23 am

Dcrane buy your own tank you would be surprise how much you save the thing is some companys don't delivery for a small amount.I have a 500 gallon tank.Full cap is 400 gallons 80% of tank must allow exspansion.Ya there are a lot of yuppys up here but there are some regular folk as well.We own our electric company and the power never goes down for long.P.s. i'm not a yuppy :lol: i actually have a mason coming who i know but i don't think i can swing the cost,that's why i'm thinking about the ss pipe i found.MCgleaver i heard of the power vent but you cant use them on hand fired stoves from what i heard.
kytara7
 
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 460 b

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:50 pm

One ton of coal has 28 million BTU of heating ability. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. :shock:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:32 pm

Yeah, propane may be cheap now, but just wait a couple months. I would still go with coal. Oil was coming down nicely then look what happened a couple weeks ago. It started creeping back up today. Coal is down a few cents today. Coal has always been pretty consistent. When I first started looking into coal it was trading for ( year ago) $65.00 today its at $53.00 I think. Not much of a margin compared to oil. Don't really follow n/g house does not have it. Welcome to the forum.
DePippo79
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40
Coal Size/Type: Stove, nut/anthracite

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: kytara7 On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:27 am

Ya definitly a misunderstanding on the btu.I'm hellbent on getting this up and running i'm now looking at building a concrete block chimney.the stainless is ridculas.
kytara7
 
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 460 b

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:47 am

kytara7 wrote:Ya definitly a misunderstanding on the btu.I'm hellbent on getting this up and running i'm now looking at building a concrete block chimney.the stainless is ridculas.


HA....told ya so :lol: at the end of the day its not only better for you and whatever type of stove you chose now or into the future... its better for your beautiful home and ads real world value now and 100 years from now! (the stainless pipe does not). If the difference was $25,000.00 it might be something to think about but in most cases the difference is negligible and only about $2,500 for a lifetime of enjoyment (and when you sell it all comes back back to you)... its like simply keeping your money in a bank account!

If you do go with concrete you can at least use the stone laminate to make it look real later after you save some pennies (I still say a real masonry chimney is not that much more, find a local mason who needs some work!), not some company who charges you 3x but rather ask around...stop by your local Mason's chapter, go talk to your local building inspector, if you see some guy building a set of brick stairs or stone wall ...stop your car, get out and go talk to him! You simply need to find a local mason who wants a nice side job (don't be afraid to make him an offer after obtaining a couple quotes from big company's). Ask him to make a materials list and you buy the materials and pay him labor 1/3 at a time to keep everything on the up and up!
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:49 am

Hey georgetown, welcome. I lived on the north shore for many years and I can say from experience, once you go black rocks you never go back. Keep the propane for back up and come over to the warm way of doing things, you won't be disappointed. If dc still has his glenwood for sale it would be worth the trip to go buy it and heat that nice big house of yours with it!!!
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: new to the forum and i have questions

PostBy: kytara7 On: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:00 am

M.A. my house isn't that big it's a cottage that was raised then i added to it .Your not the ex bass player from van halen are you.if so what the eff happened with you and the band.D.c i have a local guy who is coming over and he is a neighbor but extremely busy.Does incredible work but but would probaly pound me in the anal cavity for his work its that good.I.m looking and i also was at home depot and lowes pricing out block for the job and usually do what your are saying by buying the material and shopping the labor that's why i'm trying to get this done b4 winter.
kytara7
 
Stove/Furnace Make: warm morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 460 b