Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:43 am

Guess 21 cents for every gallon of gas wasn't enough. The shitheads on Beacon Hill just decided to up it another 3 cents to 24 cents total per gallon!

For what??? So we can repave 495 every 2 months, while the rest of the state's roads are in shambles??? Another shoddy bridge in Boston, while the rest of the state's crumble?? WTF!!!

Friggin pricks!! :mad:
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:54 am

I don't like taxes either but I'm not seeing how this is out of line. MA historically has been at the low end of the range of state gas taxes/fees - http://www.commonsensejunction.com/note ... -rate.html . The sad fact is that using highways causes wear and costs money that has to come from somewhere. Even 24 cents/gallon translates to around $0.01/mile for a passenger car, and maybe $0.015/mile for a pickup or SUV. If they're really collecting more than what it costs to keep up the roads it would warrant a closer look, but for now I don't see how the overall amount is out of line, or how MA is unreasonable on this compared to other states.

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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:02 pm

It seems to me New Jersey has a lot of roads too. how come they can repair them so much cheaper?
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:49 pm

I will trade you the .24 to the .31 we pay here in Pa and that should go up with our Govner's great ideas gas tax going up and we still have state stores....... :mad:

with the federal tax were almost at .51 cents a gallon


here is a chart on all states gas taxes

http://www.scrantongasprices.com/Tax_Info.aspx

also a map of all the gas taxes including federal


http://www.scrantongasprices.com/USA_Tax_Map.aspx
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:28 pm

franco b wrote:It seems to me New Jersey has a lot of roads too. how come they can repair them so much cheaper?


From the times I've driven through NJ it wouldn't surprise me if they collect more in tolls than do many other states. I don't think they're repairing the roads cheaper, but maybe are using other sources of $?

Mike
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:46 pm

Now thier screwing up the I95 bridge over the Merrimack River. Supposedly three year project, but knowing MA. it will probably be ten years. But get this thier putting pedestrian outlooks on it. Never knew people were allowed on to walk on interstate highways. Someone has to stop these treehuggers. Should have moved to Texas where the wifes from. Oh well I'm done venting.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:32 pm

DePippo79 wrote:Now thier screwing up the I95 bridge over the Merrimack River. Supposedly three year project, but knowing MA. it will probably be ten years. But get this thier putting pedestrian outlooks on it. Never knew people were allowed on to walk on interstate highways. Someone has to stop these treehuggers. Should have moved to Texas where the wifes from. Oh well I'm done venting.

Another happy customer that I agree with. When government tries to be all things to all people that's when costs go up faster than the supposed benefits.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:34 pm

DePippo79 wrote:Now thier screwing up the I95 bridge over the Merrimack River. Supposedly three year project, but knowing MA. it will probably be ten years. But get this thier putting pedestrian outlooks on it. Never knew people were allowed on to walk on interstate highways. Someone has to stop these treehuggers. Should have moved to Texas where the wifes from. Oh well I'm done venting.


AFAIK the "pedestrian outlooks" are part of a bikeway that will cross the bridge. With the abandonment of low density railroad lines there are bikeway/recreational trail networks growing all over the place, including states with widely varying political views. You wouldn't escape it by moving to TX - there are 300 miles of bikeways in Houston alone - http://www.houstonbikeways.org/.

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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:36 pm

Don't feel bad John. They raised Pa. tax 5 cents about 12 years ago to fix Rt. 80. Now that it is done, do you think we will get a discount???? No, the liberals want to put up toll booths on 80!!! :mad:
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:32 pm

When the Whitestone Bridge was built in 1939 the toll was 25 cents and it was promised to reduce to 10 cents when the bridge was paid for. The toll is now $7.50.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:05 pm

franco b wrote:When the Whitestone Bridge was built in 1939 the toll was 25 cents and it was promised to reduce to 10 cents when the bridge was paid for. The toll is now $7.50.


To be fair, that $0.10 in 1939 would be about $1.70 today after inflation, so they did miss by some but not as much as $0.10 would suggest. For decades the ongoing maintenance needs of modern bridges were not well understood and as a result were largely neglected. Nationwide there is still a backlog of deferred bridge maintenance that needs a lot more $ than was planned when the bridges were built. I can't say whether that accounts for all of the $7.50, but it's a common issue.

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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:36 pm

Pacowy wrote: I can't say whether that accounts for all of the $7.50, but it's a common issue.

The reason for the higher toll on all the bridges and tunnels is to pay the transit workers more. To subsidize mass transit.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:36 pm

That sounds like another issue that didn't really exist in 1939, when the large investment in interstate highways had not yet occurred, and public transportation was largely self-sustaining out of the farebox.

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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:57 am

Sounds like most here think that gas tax revenue goes towards roads & bridges, good idea but like most taxes once there they become a free for all.
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Re: Gas tax goes up ANOTHER 3 cents per gallon

PostBy: Pacowy On: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:29 am

I think the federal tax still goes into a trust fund for such projects; not sure whether any states do that. If the amount of the tax revenue corresponds reasonably with the expenditures, I'm not sure that it matters much whether it passes through a dedicated fund.

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