New mower engine

New mower engine

PostBy: Cap On: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:28 pm

I need to either buy a new push mower preferably 22" deck, side discharge or rebuild my MTD. BUt cannot find a side discharge only mower except really small units. All I really need is a reliable & tough & strong 22" push for edging and high grass. My MTD has the tall rear wheels which I like. But the engine is weak & a POS. All new stuff worth of any value is the 3 in 1 mowers. And I bet the engines won't last. So I went here....http://www.jackssmallengines.com/small_ ... e=Vertical
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And there is this one...http://www.jackssmallengines.com/small_ ... e=Vertical
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Really not sure the difference, I'm thinking I need to measure the shaft on unit for the blade hub mount?
But what I really need to know, am I crazy wanting to install a new 6.75hp engine on a 7 yr old 22" deck with a B&S 4.75hp?

I like this mower but it has a rear bag which I have no use for. And at $409 + shipping....

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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:49 pm

The 6.75 is torque rating, whatever that means, so more like 4-5 hp. I go through a mower a year hitting things, i have bent the crankshaft on more than one of those engines. You can get a cheap Husky at tractor supply but most small mower are gonna be 21". Mine has lasted 2 years now. They have Ohv motors i don't know who makes it. It does smoke when you start it up after sitting. Probably anything you buy now comes out of the same factory Mtd anyway. I did find a Lawnboy 2 stroke in near mint condition for $50 and have also been using that but i need to do some carb work.
Also try here, sometimes you can get refurbed for a real good price. I picked up a Huskqvarna 450e brand new for $249 last friday.
http://www.vminnovations.com/Browse_552/Lawnmowers.html
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:04 pm

Just looking at it that Ariens looks like crap compared to the ones they used to make. The axles on the old ones were solid axles from one side to the other with bearings. If you're spending $400 for a mower find one with axles....
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: titleist1 On: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:15 pm

Find the local old guy that repairs and sells them. He will probably have a mower that runs good for about $75 and then if it stops running after 4 years or so he'll take it as a trade in and reduce the price on the next one you buy from him. a CL search or local pennypincher ad mag will probably lead you to him.
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:56 pm

DITTO, really Cap, that keepin up with the Jones's crap is way over-rated:)
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:11 pm

For what its worth stay away from ariens. Definitely not what they use to be. Bought a brand new snowblower last year, used it once and the rubber on the friction ring blow apart. Course home depot had no more instock. Ended up fixing it myself. Want something done right, do it yourself. The 1960's ariens I got out the trash and use at my parents is still kicking though.
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:20 pm

Yeah pretty much anything you buy from Home Depot or Lowe's is guaranteed to be *censored*. Although, I've had good luck with the 2 Echo products I bought there 10 years ago. Both have same engine, and both are still kicking with solid compression and 3 pull max starting.

CAP, I wouldn't waste my money on a new engine for that - just scour Craigslist for a small *censored* mower for like $20 and up, and use the engine off that on yours. Way cheaper ... and the way things are built these days that engine will be more reliable too.

If you do decide to go new, if the engine says "NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA", then THAT'S the one you WANT to buy. CA spec'd ones will run like *censored*, and won't last - unless your skilled at carburetor modification. They're jetted so friggin lean that the engine is one step away from total meltdown. One spring with a slightly clogged carb, and you'll never get it started ... if your lucky. IF not, you'll burn it up then.
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: Cap On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:14 pm

titleist1 wrote:Find the local old guy that repairs and sells them. He will probably have a mower that runs good for about $75 and then if it stops running after 4 years or so he'll take it as a trade in and reduce the price on the next one you buy from him. a CL search or local pennypincher ad mag will probably lead you to him.


I been looking at CL adds. Nothing but junk or too far away. Am I going to waste a day & gas to save $40? Unless I see it on a front yard as I pass by with a for 4 Sale sign.... And we do have one of those guys in the next town. I stopped, didn't like what he had.

I ordered the 6.75 torque thru Amazon. And it says , No CA sales. I'll let you know how it works out in a week or so.
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: Cap On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:19 pm

freetown fred wrote:DITTO, really Cap, that keepin up with the Jones's crap is way over-rated:)


Fred, I live rural like you. There are no Jones's :lol:
But there are big ash JD diesel tractors on the surrounding properties. Maybe that's what I should get? :lol:
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:01 pm

One of them thar big JD's would eliminate any need for trimming anything Cap--don't know how happy Momma would be with all that though toothy
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:22 pm

True, CL doesn't always have good stuff. I found the best way to approach CL is watch the listings every other day or so for about a month. Something usually pops up that is on the way somewhere else and is at a good price.

most recent find was a 10kw generac exl for $900, this thing is in great condition, only needed a new battery and an oil / filter change. before that was a murray 18hp riding mower for $300. the guy that sold me the riding mower said it wouldn't start for him all the time and he bought a $$$ home depot version Cub Cadet to replace it. After looking at it a little I found a pinched ignition wire behind the starter that was probably shorting enough to cause the problem. replaced that wire, gave it to the local mower guy to service for $100 and 5 years later still running strong, starts every time. a grizzly 2hp table saw, a few golf clubs, etc., etc.... not to mention the coal stoves......
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:24 pm

You wouldn't believe the things people throw in the trash! When I used to work in that line of business, I'd get all the Home Depot weedwackers, lawnmowers, hedge trimmers, etc etc that nobody wanted to pay for to fix. Stuff only a couple years old too. Was Worcester, after all - not very many people there can hold a screwdriver the correct direction! :lol: I;ve probably sold 6 trimmers this year that have been cluttering up the barn for years.

One mower I got from Worcester had the gas tank full to the brim .... with MOTOR OIL! :funny: :punk: Was all in the primer, and all through the carburetor, engine, and exhaust too! Looked like someone put the oil in the wrong hole, and tried to start it. I fogged the whole neighborhood up when that puppy roared to life after a complete fuel system flush.

I've got friends still in the business that throw mowers and lawn tractors my way for free when they find them. The one I remember the most was a 2 year old push mower from a house cleanout - probably a foreclosure. After I washed it, it looked SHOWROOM NEW!! I put fresh gas in it, blew the oil out of the air filter, and she started 2nd pull and ran perfect! Made a few bucks off that one! I was happy.

Got a Murray lawn tractor for free off someone's lawn - had been sitting outside for years, from the looks of it. Carb had black swamp water in the bowl! :lol: Flushed the fuel system out, and that thing runs better than my '05 J/D! Had to split the transaxle to replace 2 worn out shift forks - was giving me whiplash in 6th gear! I threw some tubes in the tires, and gave it to my elderly neighbor to help him get around. Been running it all summer. Only threw a belt once. 8-)
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: Cap On: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:08 pm

Ok, new motor arrived from Amazon warehouse. "Open box deal", discounted to $150 including shipping. Spark plug was busted, no big deal. Engine bolt on threads looked buggered or maybe not completed, looked like a 3/8 x 24. I'm thinking the factory does it this way and a thread starter bolt is used by the lawn mower manufacturer. So, I had to buy a 3/8 x 24 tap & 3 new cap screws. The old engine used 3/8 x 16 cap screws.

Bolted it up, added oil & gas and started on first pull. Very quiet and smooth. I like it. Maybe a little more than a CL deal but this mower has no bells & whistles. Just the way I like it.

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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:11 pm

NICE Cap. As long as she'll do the job ya want :)
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Re: New mower engine

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:39 pm

Sweet! I was going to suggest one of those Harbor Freight engines.
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