Kinetico Water Softener

Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:53 pm

After all of that, it should be fine. :) It is a good idea to drain the sediment out once per year.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: MarkV On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:37 pm

MarkV wrote:
Rob R. wrote:After a month or so I would drain/flush that water heater.


Thanks, Rob. I'm hoping we'll be ok there.

While we were diagnosing the odor problem with the hot water about a month or so ago, my plumber drained the water heater, and cleaned out all the scale at the bottom. Then we cleaned the heater with hydrogen peroxide--poured a quart of peroxide in the anode rod socket, filled the tank, let it sit four hours, then drained and refilled.

About ten days later, after we found out about the bacteria levels, we shocked our well and made sure both hot and cold lines in the house had chlorinated water all the way through, then left it sit for 12 hours.

Finally, after installing the treatment system yesterday, the installer did another chlorine shock of both hot and cold lines, and the water heater.

The water heater should be the cleanest part of the system now. :) Do you think that's enough? I'd be glad to hear any additional thoughts.


Rob, you might have been right after all.

Been about a month with the new Kinetico water system and we've been loving the water. But just yesterday, my wife and I both noticed the sulfur smell is coming back in the hot water. Kinetico rep told me (as did the conventional softener dealer we got a price from) the UV filter would kill the bacteria that caused the sulfur odor. I even opted for the larger capacity model of the two they recommended, just to be sure.

Rep will be out this week and I'm going to ask that samples from both hot and cold treated water, and well water before conditioner, be sent for testing. Before we add an other filter or such to the system, I want to make sure it's not just residual in the water heater.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:29 pm

Don't know how I missed this one,but what the Hell,I am Blind,Crippled AND Crazy ! For openers,I'm a graduate of the "Smitty" Institute Of Fine Plumbing And Stupendous Guesses ! First thing I've always done is completely remove the Anode Rod from the water heater and seal with a Brass plug. The composition of my water reacted with the anode and created:...wait for it...STINKY Water !... No trouble since removing that anode. Secondly,I've has a Kinetico System for 10 years now,and I'd not have anything else(Unless it operates like the Kinetico) I love the fact that all Regeneration steps on the exhausted Tank is accomplished using softened water. Really makes a difference from un-softened raw water. Kinetico is in Newbury,Ohio. Basically about 10 miles from me. They've been bought out from their original Pioneering Owner,but their process seems to carry on.... :up:
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 pm

I'm the founder ... and client ... of that institution! :drunk: toothy


We've had that rotten egg stench in our water for years. The only thing I've found that makes it go away is the filter in our fridge ... or a gallon or so of bleach down the well - don't laugh - I dumped TWO gallons down there once. DON'T do that! :lol: Wife was pissed when I ruined most of her clothes on that one ... and changed her hair color slightly ... :woot: That was extreme, but it got rid of the stench for a long time. It has come back, but it's nowhere near at the level it was before.

Drinking stinky water just sucks, so that was a nice feature of the fridge that I thought I didn't need when looking, back in '08.

I've got an Ecowater softener unit, plus a Big Blue 20" sediment filter ... and neither one helped the smell for long. I gave up, as pursing that rabbit hole, as it looked like it was going to cost us a fortune. As long as I'm not drinking it, I could care less about the smell. If visitors don't like it, well, you know where they can go with their opinions! : D

Yeah, I guess your supposed to clean that resin bed every so often. My unit is 10 years old, and the only thing I did was completely tear it down and clean everything with bleach, right around the same time I poisoned my well with the stuff.

What can I say ... I like to use napalm to start fires ... :lol:
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:14 am

The rotten egg smell is usually caused by hydrogen sulfide. Your rep. is correct that the UV should prevent bacteria from getting into the water heater creating the gas, but if the hydrogen sulfide is in the water coming straight out of the well the UV won't help.

My well water has a trace of sulfur in it, just barely enough to taste. I have a pump that injects hydrogen peroxide into the water right before the pressure tank (runs when well pump runs), and after the pressure tank there is what looks like a water softener...but it contains activated carbon. The peroxide oxidizes pretty much anything in the water that shouldn't be there, and it is captured by the carbon filter...which backwashes itself automatically. The softener is last in-line. The finished product is soft water that has zero sulfur or iron. This is not a cheap solution, but very effective...our appliances stay very clean.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:58 am

Just wondering if anyone has ever tried the stuff they sell called solar salt that looks more like road salt to me, I think it's Morton salt that makes it.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:04 am

That's what I've been using Sam - not because I wanted to try it, but because that's all Lowes or H/D had. Have nothing to compare it to, so don't know if it's good or bad. It works, that's all I know.

Because our basement is a swamp, every so often I've got to pound on the side of the softener unit to break up the concrete-strength salt bridges that form, with a large rock I acquired from a bag of Kimmel's nut coal ... :lol:
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:12 am

I bought a couple bags at Sam's Club because they were out of the regular, I'm going to dump it in & see what happens. The printing on an old bag of regular is almost the same except this is from all natural sea salt or some crap, we'll see.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:05 pm

The best salt is Dura Cube, its very pure, the rest is dirty in comparison....
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:32 pm

samhill wrote:Just wondering if anyone has ever tried the stuff they sell called solar salt that looks more like road salt to me, I think it's Morton salt that makes it.


I tried a few bags of it. For some reason it bridged in my salt container. After the softener would cycle I had to bump the container to get the salt to settle. After that I went back to the "System Saver" salt by Morton...Sam's has it for $4 per 40 lb bag. The pieces are much larger, like buck size coal...no bridging and it seems to work fine in the softener.

My dad had his water softener replaced this past week. His other one was 18 years old and didn't seem to be working very well...turned out that the resin bed was compacted and fouled with iron. Only a few PPM of iron in his water, but it takes its toll I guess. The new softener has a different style riser that is supposed to do a better job of stirring up the resin when it regenerates...guess we will find out how it works in 15 yrs or so.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: grumpy On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Rob R. wrote:
samhill wrote:Just wondering if anyone has ever tried the stuff they sell called solar salt that looks more like road salt to me, I think it's Morton salt that makes it.


I tried a few bags of it. For some reason it bridged in my salt container. After the softener would cycle I had to bump the container to get the salt to settle. After that I went back to the "System Saver" salt by Morton...Sam's has it for $4 per 40 lb bag. The pieces are much larger, like buck size coal...no bridging and it seems to work fine in the softener.

My dad had his water softener replaced this past week. His other one was 18 years old and didn't seem to be working very well...turned out that the resin bed was compacted and fouled with iron. Only a few PPM of iron in his water, but it takes its toll I guess. The new softener has a different style riser that is supposed to do a better job of stirring up the resin when it regenerates...guess we will find out how it works in 15 yrs or so.


I used to use that also, it has resin saver, when I question Morton what that was they would not answer. I also notices a red ring would form around the water line in the head.

I don't know what it is but I don't like the idea of drinking it.
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Re: Kinetico Water Softener

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:05 am

I looked up the msds a while ago, I think it had citric acid listed...which is a common product for cleaning resin. Regardless, it is flushed from the resin.
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