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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:56 pm

lsayre wrote: Killing for peace doesn't seem to work very well. After decades of it we are in way deeper trouble than we ever were before we started it.

A voice crying in the wilderness, a voice with common sense and logic yet goes unheard.

It must be that people listen to different voices other than sense and logic. Motivation comes from different sources. Given the record, how can this be denied? Like breathing we do things without thought. This is the true law of our species or Kind. That law remains largely unknown and the science devoted to it looks the other way.

It seems obvious that those most expert in the knowledge of and exploitation of motivation are the great advertising houses and our politicians. Which would you rather sell? Sex and violence or logic? Which is easiest?

We call learning a discipline. Why should that be unless in conflict with something else that hinders it? Why do we call a man who jettisons what most of us value holy? Why do we favor a council of elders over a council of youth? Perhaps the elders don't know more but are least governed by the unwritten laws of our Kind.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:42 pm

jpete wrote:I blame Roosevelt and the Great White Fleet.


It was our first act of intentional global intimidation, so it's a good starting point for the blame.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:05 pm

freetown fred wrote:Do you mean, just for an example, in a Country where it is acccepted by the masses when a President gets a blow job in the oval office. I think you might be on to something Larry :(



Hell if I was president I would nothing less. :D
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:58 pm

Where does the USA still retain the moral high ground? I think this is fundamentally important to sustaining any empire, and when there is no moral high ground to stand upon an empire slowly collapses. But as it does it resorts to internal oppression and external war.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:19 pm

lsayre wrote:Where does the USA still retain the moral high ground?

It believes it does even when results prove otherwise.It's like a religious fervor unsupported by understanding the natural law underpinning it and proving it.

During the cold war and in Vietnam and Korea also the moral high ground was what sustained us since the true underlying belief was that Communism was a stronger system. It was if our own system had no basis in reality. Just a Jeffersonian pipe dream unsupported by science. This is still the overwhelming belief.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:24 pm

franco b wrote:During the cold war and in Vietnam and Korea also the moral high ground was what sustained us since the true underlying belief was that Communism was a stronger system. It was if our own system had no basis in reality. Just a Jeffersonian pipe dream unsupported by science. This is still the overwhelming belief.


I cringe when I hear that Communism is an ideal system that is too high for sinful man, and it would be perfect if not for mans propensity toward greed or avarice. Nothing is farther from the truth.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:41 pm

lsayre wrote:Communism is an ideal system that is too high for sinful man, and it would be perfect if not for mans propensity toward greed or avarice.

If that were believed by those who say it, then why persist in advocating socialist schemes?
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:26 pm

franco b wrote:
lsayre wrote:Communism is an ideal system that is too high for sinful man, and it would be perfect if not for mans propensity toward greed or avarice.

If that were believed by those who say it, then why persist in advocating socialist schemes?


Someone has to crack the whip on the sinners, and the Plutocratic Oligarchs pushing us toward totalitarianism (Communism, Socialism, Neocon-Fascism, etc...) are just the ones to do it (in their own power lust hungry minds at least). It's almost as if they see themselves a gods.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:37 pm

Just about everything enacted in 1913 can be traced to our terminal decline as a nation.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/paul ... d-america/
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:43 am

lsayre wrote:Just about everything enacted in 1913 can be traced to our terminal decline as a nation.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/paul ... d-america/



Thats a good article. Thanks
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: DieselBob On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:53 pm

Interesting read. I had not known that these all occurred in the same year.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:28 pm

There is powerful stuff in this snippet of the article which is speaking of the post Federal Reserve mega NY banking network:

They created a money empire that took over almost everything. When you start talking about the immense power of central banking, people generally turn away from it, because it’s just too much to take. So, let me say it this way: How much money could you make, if you knew precisely when interest rates would go up or down? A lot, right? Well, that’s exactly the power that these bankers have – because they’re the ones who set the rates. Then, with that money, and with that foreknowledge, how many politicians could you pay off? How many pieces of legislation could you buy? Through all the financial problems of the past few years, which is the one group that has been protected at every step? Ever wonder why?
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:21 pm

It's not like the Gov. didn't experiment with income tax before 1913 or that the income tax was just to replace taxes & tariffs there are always reasons for what was done back when. Here we are now all these years later & complain & point fingers like no other POTUS in all these years could have possibly addressed the tax problems & modify it for the better instead of the other way around.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:35 pm

samhill wrote:It's not like the Gov. didn't experiment with income tax before 1913 or that the income tax was just to replace taxes & tariffs there are always reasons for what was done back when. Here we are now all these years later & complain & point fingers like no other POTUS in all these years could have possibly addressed the tax problems & modify it for the better instead of the other way around.


I don't blame everything that has led to our peaking and now riding down the slope of decline as an empire on only one President. I equally blame Republicans and Democrats alike (past and present). Both have grossly deviated from the original plan of a "Republic of law, and not by men".

Adams advised that the form of government should be chosen to attain the desired ends, which are the happiness and virtue of the greatest number of people. With this goal in mind, he wrote in "Thoughts on Government",

"There is no good government but what is republican. That the only valuable part of the British constitution is so; because the very definition of a republic is an empire of laws, and not of men."
Source: Wikipedia on John Adams
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:51 pm

As long as you pay the government to work all day and sleep out of the weather all night(income and property) tax, you're a sharecropper and nothing more.

And that has nothing to do with Obama just to head Sam off at his default position.
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