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First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:14 pm

... corrupt and debase and devalue their monetary system, and then they turn their citizenry into couch potatoes who are both satiated and immunized by all sorts of meaningless and ever more debouched entertainment, and then they are eroded away into the oblivion of history from both without and within. It happened to Rome, and it seems clear to me that it is happening in virtually the identical sequence to the good old USA. Am I being a bit paranoid here, or is the handwriting on the wall for all to see?
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:58 pm

Do you mean, just for an example, in a Country where it is acccepted by the masses when a President gets a blow job in the oval office. I think you might be on to something Larry :(
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:10 pm

Do you mean it's OK to bail out those that cause the recession but yet unfair for the one that set the country back on track to get what he could(right or wrong) on his own time when just perhaps it's just his unfaithful way that didn.t harm anyone? Not saying right or wrong but one nearly destroyed the country & the other got a stain on a dress.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Yes, the wonderful man who started it all. He institutionalized the policy of killing for peace that has made the Arab nations endear themselves to us with love.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/ ... inton.html
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:19 pm

Was that before or after Desert Storm?
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PostBy: franco b On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:20 pm

samhill wrote:Do you mean it's OK to bail out those that cause the recession

The government caused the recession with insane Liberal programs that the banks took advantage of. You evidently think the country is back on track. Not even Bernanke claims that.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:20 pm

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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: Dave 1234 On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:21 pm

Wait ! Fred,
Is it a bad thing that I nick named my EFM 520 stroker, Monaca ?
She's a bit on the heavy side, hot, and always ready ! :o

But seriously, its very sad to see how fast corruption, greed, and ignorance has undermined our great nation.

Dave
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:23 pm

And don't forget Yugoslavia. Among other things, he blew the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia to smithereens.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Yugos ... _Yugo.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/t ... 91279.html

If Bill Clinton had drones he would have virtually orgasimed over them.
Last edited by lsayre on Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:29 pm

samhill wrote:Was that before or after Desert Storm?


I'm not one to let the Republicans off the hook. I'm only trying to show where your defense of a Democrat is all wet. I like to think of them as all one big happy family that puts on a show of disagreement merely to confound the plebes and maintain the status quo no mater who gets elected.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:33 pm

You seem to be stuck on one Pres. & one point in time without answering if the first gulf war also known as Desert Storm was before or after that man. Perhaps this will get back to even more reasons http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthro ... Oppose.htm Nothing in Gov. ever acts that fast & it seems to never be just a liberal fault except in the mind of a con or anti-lib with a closed mind.
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PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:38 pm

OK, lets not let LBJ or Reagan out of this. They both murdered for peace also. Killing for peace doesn't seem to work very well. After decades of it we are in way deeper trouble than we ever were before we started it.

The Romans killed for peace, and ultimately it didn't work for them either. Switzerland stays out of entanglements, and I don't see where they have suffered much as a consequence. But the real point I'd like to see commented upon is whether or not our nation is collapsing as a result of our having gone astray and abandoned the Founders plea to stay out of foreign entanglements, as well as to keep the Republic we were given.

We can play the game of pushing back the blame ad infinitum, but why bring up past blame to justify current corruption? It makes no sense. And why get stuck on war, when there is so much other corruption to discuss as playing a part in our downfall as a nation. Are we following the classic empire collapse progression play-book, or are we not?

Fred actually hit on one key point of our collapse, connecting the dots of debauchery and collapse.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:32 pm

No doubt FF has a point, the only thing I was adding which I think by now you all know what I consider to be the greater sin which is greed, both monetary & power. Unfortunately most other things lead to that. Once a nation starts to idolize riches & power above all else we create a slippery slope where one can never have too much & will stop at nothing to achieve more. After all just what is the reward for corruption?
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PostBy: jpete On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:33 pm

I blame Roosevelt and the Great White Fleet.
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Re: First empires are corrupted from within, and then they ...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:34 pm

When you look to man instead of God for the answers to life's problems, this is what you get ... every single time. The Founders knew this - it is the nature of mankind, after all.

In a world where deeply religious people are laughed at and mocked for their ways, I see no hope. We will continue to spiral downward until life as we know it today will only be read about by future generations, with envy.

Exactly like Rome. We've seen this same movie play out time and time and time again. Everyone knows exactly how it ends .... yet, we keep writing the same old, tired script!

If people turned back to God instead of turning their back on Him, I'd say we certainly have a chance. Just a browse through Youtube tells me ... FAT CHANCE on that one. :|
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