Eric Holder to ease drug laws

Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:57 pm

That's my point Isayre, just because yourself & a few others that have written some opinions think some law, act or administration becomes bad, since all of these for the most part were installed to cure what was at the time considered bad it all comes down to my question as to who decides. Are you saying that perhaps the country would be a better place if run by Standard Oil & a very few others (which it may well be to some extent) but there are reasons for every law & yes some should be taken off the books or modified from time to time there was no doubt a reason.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:03 pm

jpete wrote:Is an unconstitutional law a law at all?


It is until that is determined otherwise by a court.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:09 pm

rberq wrote: But to say that prosecutors should continue to act insanely and immorally just because there is a law -- well, that also makes me uncomfortable.


But if a prosecutor is going to decide what laws to enforce why bother having lawmakers? Certainly they need some discretion such as whether they are going to prosecute or not but if it's determined the law has been broken and prosecution is necessary there is no room for discretion with "mandatory minimum sentence" .
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:15 pm

Mandatory sentencing in conjunction with proper laws is objective. You know what to expect from the beginning. Of course mandatory sentencing in conjunction with bad law is tyranny.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:33 pm

Richard S. wrote:
jpete wrote:Is an unconstitutional law a law at all?


It is until that is determined otherwise by a court.


So Jim Crow was OK until SCOTUS said it wasn't? :no1:
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:36 pm

There is a difference between being the law of the land, and being OK. Even the Supreme Court gets things wrong, as can be seen by the Obamacare decision.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:37 pm

samhill wrote:The question is just who determines which laws are bad, do you do it by personal belief, religious or popular vote? It's obvious that many believe many different ways so just how would it be decided which law is unjust?


Because some of us can read and understand the Constitution.

To put it in simple terms for you, if my actions neither pick your pocket nor break your leg, then I can do it.

Governments job ISN'T to tell me how to live, it's to punish you if you interfere with my life.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:38 pm

lsayre wrote:Even the Supreme Court gets things wrong


Which is why we can't sit around hoping SCOTUS will overturn a "bad" law.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:38 pm

Larry I don;t think the topic is about whether the law is bad or good. I think most of us can agree it's bad but that has to be changed by our lawmakers, you have a single person who wasn't even elected deciding they don't like a law so they aren't going to enforce it. That's not acceptable no matter what their reasons are.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:40 pm

jpete wrote:So Jim Crow was OK until SCOTUS said it wasn't? :no1:


Again, it's not whether the law is good or bad. You have a single person deciding what laws to enforce.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:42 pm

Richard S. wrote:Larry I don;t think the topic is about whether the law is bad or good. I think most of us can agree it's bad but that has to be changed by our lawmakers, you have a single person who wasn't even elected deciding they don't like a law so they aren't going to enforce it. That's not acceptable no matter what their reasons are.


Yes, I focused upon that from the beginning, but alas, I have drifted from it. My apology.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:56 pm

Richard S. wrote:
jpete wrote:So Jim Crow was OK until SCOTUS said it wasn't? :no1:


Again, it's not whether the law is good or bad. You have a single person deciding what laws to enforce.


A "good" law, in this context, is Constitutional. A "bad" one is unconstitutional.

I'm not comfortable waiting for SCOTUS. Asking one branch of government to rule on the legality of another branch of government is a recipe for disaster.

If people would remember who is supposed to run things around here, we'd all be better off.

Until then, asking the question, "Where did it all go wrong?" is just mental masturbation.

To stay on topic. If ONE person decides a law is bad, then maybe the next person will too. And eventually, we'll have a majority of people realizing the difference and maybe we could take the county back without firing a shot.

But if we go around waiting for SCOTUS to decide, we just put the leg irons on ourselves.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:44 pm

jpete wrote:To stay on topic. If ONE person decides a law is bad, then maybe the next person will too.


What if one person in an authority position like the AG decides a law is bad and everyone else thinks it's good?

Just to add I think we have separation of power issue here as well becsue Holder is part of the judicial branch and he's upsurping the power on the legislative branch.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:35 am

Richard S. wrote:
jpete wrote:To stay on topic. If ONE person decides a law is bad, then maybe the next person will too.


What if one person in an authority position like the AG decides a law is bad and everyone else thinks it's good?

Just to add I think we have separation of power issue here as well becsue Holder is part of the judicial branch and he's upsurping the power on the legislative branch.


I thought that's what the whole "checks and balances" thing was INTENDED to do?

Holder only has the authority to direct what Federal prosecutors do. He's telling them not to go after non violent drug cases.

If your state wants to bury those people, they are still free to do so.

Rand Paul made it perfectly clear during an interview the other day. If two kids are sitting in a basement and one OD's, the other kid, as it stands now, goes to jail for 20 years AUTOMATICALLY. No judge has the power to alter that. And that seems like a crime to me.

I think Holder should be in a jail cell for many of the things that have happened under his watch, but I'm forced to agree with him on this topic.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:47 am

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