Eric Holder to ease drug laws

Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:37 am

jpete wrote:
lsayre wrote:
waldo lemieux wrote:Maybe Im misunderstanding, but isnt this alot like" jury nullification before the fact"? Only its Attorney General nullification? I feel that this is long overdue and woefully short of the needed changes to our "draconian/puritanical drug laws. The misery created worldwide by our drug laws as well as the amount of money spent on enforcement far outstrip any benefits. Make it all legal , spend the money on education , treatment , dispensing thereby eliminating the black market and most intercity crime. fund the whole thing by eliminating the DEA and a tax on the product , its so simple it makes me sick they wont do it :mad:

:whistle: "lets giv'em somthing to talk about".......



It is right and proper for a jury to nullify if it so chooses, but beyond that, only Congress (or the States, throught the Amendment process) can nullify coded law.

It would be a huge power grab for Eric Holder to arbirtarily obey some laws and not obey (or semi-obey) others.


I have to disagree. States can just refuse to obey a bad Federal law. The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions did exactly that.

The USA was intended to be "bottom-up" not "top-down" government. The people are supreme, followed by the states, then the Federal government.

I realize Lincoln turned that on its head, but I'm talking "original intent" here.


And counties in states can do the same as well.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:38 am

BTW why isn't Holder in jail yet himself?
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:42 am

samhill wrote:The question is just who determines which laws are bad, do you do it by personal belief, religious or popular vote? It's obvious that many believe many different ways so just how would it be decided which law is unjust?


A jury! It should be mandated by the AG that if a jury ( ordinary citizens) selected by the prosecution and defense decides the law in question is "not just" in that particular case, Then acquit the defendant. Or, find him guilty and let the jury decide the sentence , perhaps given some options by the presiding judge. Really an example of jury nullification, putting the responsibility on the citizenry to determine what is just in each case. Taking the power from the hands of a few , and placing it in the hands of the many.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:24 am

jpete wrote:
I thought that's what the whole "checks and balances" thing was INTENDED to do?


A single person dictating the law is neither a check or balance.

jpete wrote: but I'm forced to agree with him on this topic.


I agree with his opinion, I do not agree with his actions.

I asked this before: "What if one person in an authority position like the AG decides a law is bad and everyone else thinks it's good? "
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:04 pm

You write your congressman and or senator, cumbersome for sure but its all we got! Oh wait,I forgot, a lobby :idea: Yeah.... thats the ticket pay to get the law written as you like it :sick:
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:41 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:
samhill wrote:how would it be decided which law is unjust?

A jury! ... if a jury ... decides the law in question is not just ... acquit the defendant.

Trouble is, in federal prosecutions/persecutions, a jury can acquit you, but prosecutors will then indict you on other charges. The government has essentially unlimited resources, so if you are acquitted of, say, stealing, they will indict you again for conspiracy to steal, then if you are acquitted they will indict you for not paying taxes on the money you stole, or (like Martha Stewart) indict you for saying something untrue but irrelevant to a federal official, and so on and so on and so on. Your actual guilt or innocence does not matter, you either plead guilty to something or spend ALL your resources and ALL your time, forever, fighting case after case in court. Maybe he's not the best poster boy for this abuse of power, but consider Whitey Bulger who was just tried -- the feds have a miles-long train of cases to bring against him, if he should be acquitted. He will be on trial, or locked up pending trial, for the rest of his life. As my brother said, he might as well just plead guilty to something and hope he dies quickly. And if -- I think we can say when -- they finally get their hands on Eric Snowden, the same thing will happen, regardless of whether 90% of the country think he is a hero or not.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:38 pm

Richard S. wrote:A single person dictating the law is neither a check or balance.


But it's not a single person. It's the Justice Department being directed by the Chief Executive to ignore something the Legislative Branch did.
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:00 pm

jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote:A single person dictating the law is neither a check or balance.


But it's not a single person. It's the Justice Department being directed by the Chief Executive to ignore something the Legislative Branch did.


Sounds like grounds for impeachment to me!
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Re: Eric Holder to ease drug laws

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:14 pm

lsayre wrote:
jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote:A single person dictating the law is neither a check or balance.


But it's not a single person. It's the Justice Department being directed by the Chief Executive to ignore something the Legislative Branch did.


Sounds like grounds for impeachment to me!


Not to me. It sounds like the first time in my life that a government agency ever did their job.

It's all the other things Holder, et al do and did that are grounds for impeachment! :D
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