Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Coalnewbie, I do have about 100 pictures of the disassembly if you are curious about anything.


Don't just send it to me these disassemblies should go into the knowledge base. I will break a sweat just looking at your photos but sadly I no longer have the energy to tackle something like that but I will learn plenty. We ALL love pics soooooo 100 photos here we come. :) :)
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: BEAKER On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:00 pm

Wanna Bee, I would love to have casts made, I know thats the best solution, I just dont think I can swing the costs. BUT, I am have a couple foundries look at some pics, including Tomahawk Foundry just to make sure it is infact out of my price range.

Dcrane, I did get my appraisal back from GTS. This is what they said

"Current, unrestored, as is condition: $300.00 to $600.00
Cost to fully restore:
dismantle, blast, weld, rebuild, paint and mica on base heater $3850.00 to $4850.00
nickel $4000 to $4500
Retail value following professional Good Time Stove Co. restoration: $8850.00 to $9850.00"

I will restore the stove for NOT EVEN CLOSE to their cost to restore.

Coalnewbie, OK I will add pics to the knowledge base.

Does anyone know how to edit your user profile? I have looked and can not find it anywhere on the site :help2:
Oh Yeah- Im getting some of my welding done tomorrow, and today I got my first three doors primed and painted :) :) :)
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:58 am

go to user control panel(top of page) hit profile ( top) & walla--have at it
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:22 pm

Retail value following professional Good Time Stove Co. restoration: $8850.00 to $9850.00"


However, those stoves in their baseburner section they have had for sale for years they are way overpriced. If you want to restore it then go ahead I would love to see pics but don't imagine it will be a profitable venture. But then some things you have to do for love not money.

My stove has been sealed, painted with a hammer finish and is now being assembled to burn coal this winter. Pics coming.... Mine is going back to work but is not going to be a collectors item. Perhaps if my ship comes in???? but I now know that craft was lost at sea years ago.

A Hitzer 50-93 in one room and Jewel in the other (my name for the Garnet 48) each great meat and potato heaters but very different. Snuggle down with one pint of winter warmer xxx and they both will look just fine. After three glasses even Billiary looks fine....... hmmmm .... did I really say that.....
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: BEAKER On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:42 pm

freetown fred wrote:go to user control panel(top of page) hit profile ( top) & walla--have at it

OH! :oops:
I guess sometimes the glaringly obvious just isnt seen for some reason, that and my brain doesnt work sometimes :hammer: .
Thanks Fred.

I hear you newbie, I really just want to bring her back to life and maybe some day if I part with her I'll make my money back and maybe a little extra.

Ya know guys I never burned coal, and never really been a stove lover. (My father did however love his wood stoves) I have always thought they where cool but when I came across this Garnet28 something took over me, really, Im obsessed. The though of burning coal and not NYSEG natural gas also seems very alluring...

:) Beaker
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:43 am

I came across this Garnet28 something took over me, really, Im obsessed.


Now for the bad news.... there is no cure.... The only comforting news is that it is much cheaper than 18 year old shop assistants, fancy sports cars and nearly as much fun.
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:05 am

coalnewbie wrote:
I came across this Garnet28 something took over me, really, Im obsessed.


Now for the bad news.... there is no cure.... The only comforting news is that it is much cheaper than 18 year old shop assistants, fancy sports cars and nearly as much fun.


Stay tuned for more on the 18 YO assistant coming from newbie in the new adult section. toothy

The $8,000+ price tags on some of these glorious stoves is simply false (its a rare event when one sells for that and those that do are special items indeed), a more realistic price is "real" is from $3,000 - $5,000 ($3k for the less ornate functional baseburners and parlor stoves restored and $5k for the more elaborate 3 sides mica baseburners).

In terms of profitability restoring these stoves... Its difficult based on a few factors #1 the condition you got the stove in and the price you paid for it (its a rare event to obtain one on great condition for little money, but it does happen if you have the persistence). #2 your shop & tool ability (an antique store like stove hospital or Barnstable has an assembly line type shop and tools/materials/tables/etc. already set up for specifically this one and only process), they do not work on cars and engines or weld grommets for NASA or repair their lawn mower and then switch back to stoves, they have every socket, lube, buffer, wire wheels, drills, etc. set up in line for one purpose and one purpose ONLY, because of this they can do the job in a fraction of the hours it takes me or you to do it. #3 Who you know (If your dad owns a nickel plating company and your uncle owns a metal fab shop then it stands to reason you have access that most do not and this would allow you profit in most cases). Like most things... after you have done them a while and you have obtained the tools & knowledge I'm sure it would get easier to make profits (but similar profit could be made flipping burgers or collecting scrape iron & copper).

Most of the seniors here are just plain addicts and its our hobby that we love, enjoy and gain pleasure from (similar to going golfing or sailing on the weekend). :dancing:
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: BEAKER On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:25 pm

Coalnewbie, Yeah ya got that right, my wife if less pissy about the stove, so I guess Ill stick to this... :x

Dcrane, lucky for me I do work for a heavy fab shop. So the sand blasting is free, welding is super cheap and done by some real deal welders that know their stuff, like many do of course. Painting is done for nothing more than the cost of the paint and primer by some really weird guy. The mica will be about $115, new hardware, stove cement, fiberglass door seal(?), and other stuff...
Plating is gona be the big question. I am in with a company, but not sure what kind of deal they will give me, if any at all. They did say that the solution that removes the old nickel is more of the cost than the new plating and that if I sand blasted it off it would greatly reduce my cost, so we'll see...
I will be re-assembling my stove with a buddy and a couple ratchet straps, advise from GoodTimeStoves. I do have to say they did give my a good pointer about re-assembling...

:) beaker
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm

I do have to say they did give my a good pointer about re-assembling...


As I could never afford to shop there.... the pointer is?????
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:31 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
I do have to say they did give my a good pointer about re-assembling...


As I could never afford to shop there.... the pointer is?????


Yeaaa... We want the secrets too :mad3:
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:55 pm

dcrane wrote:
coalnewbie wrote:
I do have to say they did give my a good pointer about re-assembling...


As I could never afford to shop there.... the pointer is?????


Yeaaa... We want the secrets too :mad3:

I think the use of ratchet straps.
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: BEAKER On: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:50 pm

yes ratchet straps, I just hadnt thought of it. But was woundering how the hell to hold everything together for assembly.
So I was just saying that they atleast gave me a good pointer...thats all.
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:17 am

Good morning beaker,

A little thinking on you getting those doors air tight. The good news is ... you don't need to. Let's think about this one before you gum up your stove.

Did you ever light an open coal fire in an old fashioned iron grate? It can be a bitch to get started and so fire intensifiers (what is the term I am looking for - help?) were invented. You put this metal plate over the top of the fire hole in front of the fireplace opening over the grate and so air is forced to go through the coal bed. Once that draft gets started as the fire intensifies you no longer need the fire starter. The fire will get real intense unless that barrier is removed and the lower grate is shut down - think chimney fire and worse. It's all about the ratio of combustion air (through the fire in the case of coal) to total air flow going up the chimney. So if you read my post on the 48 you see I just lit a piece of newspaper in the fire. Sure a little tiny bit of smoke came through the doors and elsewhere and that is normal. However, when I smelled smoke coming out the back through the double heater vent that meant a serious investigation. A lot of coal stoves actually have secondary air vents above the fire. My Jotul 507 is run all winter with the top hole open 1 1/2 turns. It can be a very good thing to stop methane build up in a forming fire - search here under puff backs. So pause before you start going crazy. As long as the leaks are not so bad that combustion air can't get started through the coal bed you are OK.

The same is true in lighting your stove. You start with the ash door wide open and doors closed and you try to get a draft going and sometimes that is hard to do. However, don't walk away or your stove may burn into a puddle of iron and your house may be a gonner (an extreme example).

So an airtight stove can be a little easier to control as you are better able to fine tune the intake air down below. The old timers (who knew everything) never did use gaskets on those doors and they were never totally airtight right from the factory.
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: BEAKER On: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:30 pm

Hi Coalnewbie,

Well thanks for the advise about the sealing of the doors. If I understand what your saying, the draft will suck the air in any small cracks that may be around the door, rather than smoke coming out the cracks? Sounds good to me thanks you just saved me some unneccesary work that I would have done. sometimes I over think things and overkill everything.
So my progress this past week was not what I had hoped for, (real shocker) I did get my doors and windows primed and painted.

Oh! I did come a cross a free ton of coal on craigs list. I loaded about half of it into my truck and desided to leave the rest. I had to sift it out and dry it before I put it in my barrel. I guess it had sit outside for several years in this driveway from when their father was alive and burning coal. So I got about a half ton of chestnut coal ready now :)

the other half is in Corning, if anyone wants to mess with it. I think its good coal, just needs sifting and a hour in the sun.

Beaker
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Re: Scored a Red Cross Garnet #28 base burner now what??

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:11 am

[quote="BEAKER"]Wanna Bee, I would love to have casts made, I know thats the best solution, I just dont think I can swing the costs. BUT, I am have a couple foundries look at some pics, including Tomahawk Foundry just to make sure it is infact out of my price range.

Dcrane, I did get my appraisal back from GTS. This is what they said

"Current, unrestored, as is condition: $300.00 to $600.00
Cost to fully restore:
dismantle, blast, weld, rebuild, paint and mica on base heater $3850.00 to $4850.00
nickel $4000 to $4500
Retail value following professional Good Time Stove Co. restoration: $8850.00 to $9850.00"

I will restore the stove for NOT EVEN CLOSE to their cost to restore.

Coalnewbie, OK I will add pics to the knowledge base.

This is a GREAT POST (thank you for that!) I missed it before but its good to show the kind of money it costs to have someone restore a stove like this :eek2: It would be nice to hear Williams opinion on these numbers, since he has some experience with these places. the current "as is" price of 300-600 seems a little crazy to me (unless it has some glorious mint condition Finial on top that might be worth $200 by itself).

great thread....keep the photo's and activity going for us on this! LOVE IT :clap:
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