Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: NJJoe On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:56 am

Ranch style home (1960s construction) with a basement and first floor. Single wide chimney with 2 flues, possibly room for a third. I'm not the most knowledgeable in construction but I believe it may be possible to add a third flue to this chimney. I'd like to add a stove to the basement as part of a basement refinishing project. Pictures include several shots from the roof. The rectangular flue (with the black staining around it) is the oil boiler. The central square flue is for the living room fire place. That empty spot is where I'd like to add a flue going down to the basement so a stove can be piped into that. I've also included basement shots as well as a shot of where in the basement the stove may be installed. Can anyone advise on this? Would this be something easy?
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:15 am

You probably have room, but it's a can of worms I wouldn't want to open. Is it solid filled? I suspect it might be:(
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: NJJoe On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:22 am

I have no idea. Its a project I am considering since I want to refinish the basement. is there a way to know, short of breaking the chimney?
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:28 am

Seems strange to have all that brick work if there were not a third flue.

Why not buy a 1/2 inch masonry bit and drill a hole in the center of the cap and see what happens? If it goes hollow you can tie a nail to a string to see how far it goes.
franco b
 
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:41 am

Before you start drillin--take a hammer & tap between the 2 existing & bricks on the edge then tap where we're all hoping you got hollow:) you'll hear some difference if it's just skimmed.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: NJJoe On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:00 am

franco b wrote:Seems strange to have all that brick work if there were not a third flue.


I think its mainly for aesthetic purposes. If you look in the basement, the chimney is the same width as the exposed chimney on the roof. In between the roof and basement, in the first floor living room, that chimney is visible to the room and a fireplace is built into it. Fireplace is exactly in the center with room on both sides.

If I can find the architectural blueprints, perhaps that may show the presence of a third flue.
NJJoe
 

Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:08 pm

freetown fred wrote:You probably have room, but it's a can of worms I wouldn't want to open. Is it solid filled? I suspect it might be:(


i agree with the old farmer...
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: Den034071 On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:35 pm

Joe im a mason 43 years.My 99 percent guess is the chimney is solid .All flues are started from bottom of chimney .Also how would you seal each flue starting from top .Good luck jack
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:21 pm

Just bite the bullet and attack the top where you wish to find a 3rd flu (or at least enough hollow area to put one), worst case... you dig down and find its solid... lil' cement, lil' rubber muckie muck and done. Id be in and outa their in 10 min! GO GO GO and please don't forget to tell us the results.
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Imho you gotta better chance of winning the powerball. But if youre gonna proceed ,forget the blueprints :rofl: and find the guy that built the chimney. He probobly still lives around there. :idea:
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:17 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:Imho you gotta better chance of winning the powerball. But if youre gonna proceed ,forget the blueprints :rofl: and find the guy that built the chimney. He probobly still lives around there. :idea:


all this talking... we could be done by now and know 100% what we got :mad3: grab a hammer and cats paw and have at the top of that puppy (Im kinda curious now...that's an awfully wide chimney), Im gonna go against the grain here... Im putting my money on it not only being hollow but their being a 3rd flu inside their! :woot:
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:22 pm

i doubt if there's any blueprints for the actual chimmney. house blueprints may show placement for it, but no actual construction design for chimmney. As far as there being a third flue tiled in there... i doubt it, hollow it would be used by critters for a living space.
wilder11354
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Harman SF260
Coal Size/Type: nut or pea, anthracite
Other Heating: crown oil boiler, backup.if needed

Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:25 am

Power vent the oil boiler and steal that flue for coal. :)
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:35 am

Rob R. wrote:Power vent the oil boiler and steal that flue for coal. :)


Not bad :idea: Robs always thinking :clap:
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Possible to add a flue to this chimney?

PostBy: NJJoe On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:15 am

Rob R. wrote:Power vent the oil boiler and steal that flue for coal. :)


Can a chimney vented boiler be converted to a powervented design? Does this need a drain to work properly (for the condensate)? This may be doable but I can't replace the boiler, it was recently installed in summer of 2012.
NJJoe