Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:57 am

Seems to be the coolest & wettest right here but yet out West they have had some of the hottest (from what I heard & dry as well) certainly have been what seems to be more than usual forest fires but a lot could be contributed to man. Then not to leave them & some of us out the South & East Coast are getting more rain with the tropical storms on the way.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:11 am

samhill wrote:... what seems to be more than usual forest fires but a lot could be contributed to man.


That's certainly man made, for 100 years they have very effectively controlled forest fires which are actually beneficial to the forest....... when there isn't a centuries worth of fuel on the ground to feed them. When left to their natural state frequent fires quickly move through a forest, it promotes growth and a healthy forest. These fires burn hot and for a long time killing everything, it takes a long time for the forest to recover.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:18 am

As I understand it the green movement is the reason for many forest fires. Green laws enacted in the liberal communities and even States forbid the controlled ridding of underbrush from forests, which instead must be allowed to remain in their "intended" natural state. If this (I.E., my understanding) is true, then underbrush run amok leading to forest fires run amok would thereby be the direct consequence of liberals trying to be green and foist their green agenda upon their communities on up to their entire States.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:28 am

I don't think you can blame it on liberal policy Larry, this goes back to the turn of the century.... e.g. Smokey the Bear. It hasn't been until the last few decades they have realized the issues associated with it. In lot of these forests they are doing "prescribed" burns during ideal conditions but some of them have actually gotten out of control.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:35 am

Just how do you rid underbrush from a forest? :blowup: Controlled logging works pretty well as being a good steward for the forest as well as making money & jobs. As long as it's naturally become a libs fault we can turn it around & say all those cons that own homes in fire prone areas don't want their forest views disturbed or the noise & traffic from logging. But once again your probably right as I don't ever recall a forest fire while a con POTUS was in office.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:47 am

samhill wrote: Controlled logging works pretty well as being a good steward for the forest as well as making money & jobs..


That's where the liberal policies enter the equation. It certainly isn't Conservatives trying to prevent anyone from removing a twig from the forest.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:55 am

Perhaps at the root level the worship of mother earth (nature) is at fault. This worship holds it to be fundamentally true that humans are evil invaders bent upon altering the natural state of things (I.E., their environment) , which of course would be a lot better off if there were a lot less of us humans (to none of us for the most extreme of the earth worshipers) around to mess up the natural order of things (which include forest fires).
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:13 am

Richard, I've only been in my current house (on the edge of state gamelands) but while I was in the process of moving in I got a visit from the Park Forest Rangers that told me I'm not allowed to remove anything from park property such as firewood. I told them I don't even have a fireplace but asked why not since there is wood laying all over the place, they said no wood, plants, rocks, dirt or anything else as it's all park property. I left it at that & didn't even say it was owned by the taxpayers that pay their salary, I had been warned by the people I bought off of but they don't mind if I drag like a dead shrub or something that gives critters a place to hide & call home. I don't know nor do I care if it was a Dem. or Rep. that put the policy in place the bottom line IMO is that either side has had ample opportunity to reverse any type of law, policy, tax or anything else everyone likes to blame on a lib, just an easy way out I'm guessing.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:24 am

Your description of the park is a prime example of the reality that what is owned by all is owned by no one.

Don't touch mother nature. The park is there for the plants and animals, and you are merely an invader in their domain. Signs posted in my local Medina County operated park say virtually this exact thing, and then they instruct that no one is allowed to wander off the path.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:54 am

When you get into parks where you have a large concentration of people such laws are necessary. I was in Yoemite and along one of the paths was a Sequioa directly adjacent to the path, it was like 10 feet across at the base and had a scar on it about 2 or 3 feet deep where people had taken souvenirs over the decades. That's an extreme example but you have to protect those areas where you're going to have a lot of people so everyone can enjoy them.
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:09 pm

I totally agree with those areas but I'm talking State Gamelands, plenty of hunters are in there for every season. The trees that get blown down & are just left to rot & get infected with disease & insects along with the vines that aren't good for anything but will girdle a tree & kill it in time. I have a piece of prettified forest tree that was removed long before controls all I'm saying is why not just admit that it isn't as easy as simply to say it's because of the libs, that just seems like a cop out to me. There again I could be wrong & as a lib I take full blame for all things deemed evil no matter how many times that evil may change to good & then back again. ;)
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:23 pm

samhill wrote: it isn't as easy as simply to say it's because of the libs, that just seems like a cop out to me.


When you're talking about the vast tracts forests available for logging it is and a lot of that land is in private hands.

These aren't Ron Paul Voters. :rofl:

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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:29 pm

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT! A touch over the top id say. I'd hate to have them see what i just did to all the damn limbs that have been a whackin me in the face when I mow :twisted:
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:43 pm

I agree they aren't likely to be you're typical Ron Paul voters. Someone should poll the "Earth First" movement members to see who they voted for in the past Presidential election. Then poll them to see if we should fight forest fires (proactively, as in burning or cutting away underbrush in a controlled fashion, or reactively after the fire is raging) or just let them burn.

My guess is that the 'Earth First' crowd votes primarily "Green Party".
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Re: Could this be the coldest 'coal region' August in history?

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:58 pm

Richard S. wrote:
samhill wrote: it isn't as easy as simply to say it's because of the libs, that just seems like a cop out to me.


When you're talking about the vast tracts forests available for logging it is and a lot of that land is in private hands.

These aren't Ron Paul Voters. :rofl:


That's a disturbing video. I am not sure if it was made to hold these people up to ridicule or not.
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