Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: oliver power On: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:39 pm

Sister in law is talking about pulling out old wood/oil furnace, and installing a coal stoker furnace. Local dealer sells both, Hitzer,and Keystoker. Which one? Doesn't the Hitzer have the Leisure Line stoker So many rave about ? Any pro's / con's of the two? Thanks, oliver
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: oliver power On: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:32 pm

I see........ No comments either way. Just as I kind of thought; about the same. Ones no better (or worse) than the other. I haven't heard anything back from sister-in-law, or brother. Not sure what's going on.......... oliver
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: Matthaus On: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:52 pm

I believe you should also consider a Leisure Line, Hitzer uses a stoker of their own manufacture that is somewhat a copy of ours (you know what they say, "Imitation is the sincerest form of Flattery" :) ). Hitzer and Keystoker are both great companies but neither comes close to the heat exchanger sq ft area of the LL AK series or has the variable speed 1800 cfm fan.

I believe you owe it to yourself to check out all units and compare how they are constructed and how robust the feeder mechanisms are. Best wishes for a successful search! :D
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite

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Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:14 pm

rule out the Hitzer furnace right off the get go (about the only thing they did right is the coal troll & glass view door)! Im not sure if you want a dual fuel coal/oil furnace? obviously Matt cant really speak about others in any manner that's poor... but I and many others have no problem giving are opinions. Do you need a dual fuel or no?
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:09 am

I have the Key Stoker & totally happy with it except for maybe the glass(it's a pain to even try to keep clean) I have looked at the new Hitzers & was impressed with the design & workmanship seeing how they had so many others to more or less copy & hopefully improve that's no surprise. I think they should look at all & price is always a factor for me but you have to add dealer location & service as well as how the design suits the house, there is still enough time but it's going to end soon.
samhill
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: North Candlewood On: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:36 pm

I have a keystroker a120 & actually got it from Matthaus has to be 4 years ago.
I like what I see from LL and would consider their furnace, not quite sure about glass in my furnace door.
Having met Matthaus before his involvement in LL I respect his 2 cents & believe in his insight in the future of coal burning equipment.
North Candlewood
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Eshland S-130
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 120
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1602
Baseburners & Antiques: Princess Atlantic Cookstove
Coal Size/Type: Nut Rice

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: conesuscoal On: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:14 pm

Oliver--

Have they been up to see me? I have the Hitzer 710 and Keystoker Koker sitting side by side in my showroom.

Quick run down of the biggest differences based on my experience:

Hitzer 710 Keystoker Koker
BTU Rating 150,000 160,000
Hopper Capacity 160lbs 240lbs
Hopper Material Stainless Steel Galvanized
Standard Thermostat Coal-Trol Honeywell T-87 (but Coal-Trol is an option)
Convection Blower CFM 1,000 1,500
Venting Options Chim or Power Vent Chim or Direct Vent
Price $2800/ $3400 $3250/ $3600

As far as the quality of construction, I'm not going to take a line that manufacturer's junk. With that said, both of these units are amazing. I have easily sold 10+ Hitzers this summer and just as many Kokers. Both companies have been around for a long time. Obviously, the 710 is fairly new with it being the 3rd season available, but we rarely have issues with either. Hitzer had a minor problem with the wiring on the Coal-Trol but that has all been resolved. I guess the biggest place we separate our customers on these furnaces is the size of the house, the length and setup of the duct work, and how it will be vented.

Matthaus commented towards looking into the Leisure Line. I have been trying to gain access to that line, so I can look into how they're built and we've expressed interest with our distributor over the last year into possibly carrying the line. However, we've been unsuccessful with it so far, as there is a dealer pretty close to me that sells them. Of course that dealer doesn't sell coal and knows nothing about coal, annoying when they sell a furnace and I have to teach someone how to operate it because they don't have a clue! I've heard good things about Leisure Line, but with their lack of interest in setting me up, I'm not impressed so far.

If anyone has questions as to their specific application, I'd be happy to help!
conesuscoal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer & Keystoker Dealer

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: Rigar On: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:25 pm

conesus coal
..are you certain col-trol is an option on the a150 keystoker ??
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: Rigar On: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:26 pm

...just caught that...u listed koker....not A150...
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: conesuscoal On: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:44 pm

Rigar--

I know we can get them for the Koker, Koker-Lite, and the A-120. I've never had anyone ask me if we could get one for a heavy-duty model. Most of the control components are the same, so it may be possible, but I won't stick my neck out and say yes or no without knowing for sure! :!: Something for me to look into

I had just assumed if they were looking into the Hitzer, the Koker would be the closest match to it.
conesuscoal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer & Keystoker Dealer

Re: Key stoker or hitter hot air furnace

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:07 pm

conesuscoal wrote:Oliver--

Have they been up to see me? I have the Hitzer 710 and Keystoker Koker sitting side by side in my showroom.

Quick run down of the biggest differences based on my experience:

Hitzer 710 Keystoker Koker
BTU Rating 150,000 160,000
Hopper Capacity 160lbs 240lbs
Hopper Material Stainless Steel Galvanized
Standard Thermostat Coal-Trol Honeywell T-87 (but Coal-Trol is an option)
Convection Blower CFM 1,000 1,500
Venting Options Chim or Power Vent Chim or Direct Vent
Price $2800/ $3400 $3250/ $3600

As far as the quality of construction, I'm not going to take a line that manufacturer's junk. With that said, both of these units are amazing. I have easily sold 10+ Hitzers this summer and just as many Kokers. Both companies have been around for a long time. Obviously, the 710 is fairly new with it being the 3rd season available, but we rarely have issues with either. Hitzer had a minor problem with the wiring on the Coal-Trol but that has all been resolved. I guess the biggest place we separate our customers on these furnaces is the size of the house, the length and setup of the duct work, and how it will be vented.

Matthaus commented towards looking into the Leisure Line. I have been trying to gain access to that line, so I can look into how they're built and we've expressed interest with our distributor over the last year into possibly carrying the line. However, we've been unsuccessful with it so far, as there is a dealer pretty close to me that sells them. Of course that dealer doesn't sell coal and knows nothing about coal, annoying when they sell a furnace and I have to teach someone how to operate it because they don't have a clue! I've heard good things about Leisure Line, but with their lack of interest in setting me up, I'm not impressed so far.

If anyone has questions as to their specific application, I'd be happy to help!



Have you checked with

Avon Stove & Fireplace Co
5624 East Avon Lima Rd
Avon, NY 14414
USA
Phone: (585) 226 3430
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

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