Info on a Baseburner Never Before Seen...
- Photog200
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William what are these lil' opening doorways just below the lower side doors (when open there about 1 inch long by 1/2 inch wide)? wouldn't the primary draft control allow for all I would ever wish?
It sounds like you are describing check dampers but I don't see them in any of your photos. On my baseburner, the check dampers are in the ash pan area and once open it "short circuits" the air intake. If you have a really windy day and you want to slow the burn rate down, you would open those check dampers.
It sounds like you are describing check dampers but I don't see them in any of your photos. On my baseburner, the check dampers are in the ash pan area and once open it "short circuits" the air intake. If you have a really windy day and you want to slow the burn rate down, you would open those check dampers.
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Here is a photo showing one of them open?Photog200 wrote:William what are these lil' opening doorways just below the lower side doors (when open there about 1 inch long by 1/2 inch wide)? wouldn't the primary draft control allow for all I would ever wish?
It sounds like you are describing check dampers but I don't see them in any of your photos. On my baseburner, the check dampers are in the ash pan area and once open it "short circuits" the air intake. If you have a really windy day and you want to slow the burn rate down, you would open those check dampers.
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I am 99% sure those are the check dampers. When those are open, you are sucking air in through those and that cuts down on how much air is sucked up through the grates. Another way to control the fire on those windy days.dcrane wrote:Here is a photo showing one of them open?Photog200 wrote:William what are these lil' opening doorways just below the lower side doors (when open there about 1 inch long by 1/2 inch wide)? wouldn't the primary draft control allow for all I would ever wish?
It sounds like you are describing check dampers but I don't see them in any of your photos. On my baseburner, the check dampers are in the ash pan area and once open it "short circuits" the air intake. If you have a really windy day and you want to slow the burn rate down, you would open those check dampers.
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It would be either check damper or a form of secondary air intake, depends on where it puts the air inside the stove.Photog200 wrote:I am 99% sure those are the check dampers. When those are open, you are sucking air in through those and that cuts down on how much air is sucked up through the grates. Another way to control the fire on those windy days.dcrane wrote: Here is a photo showing one of them open?
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The answer to the question will be found by examining where the air goes after it is let in though the little doors. Some stoves had the secondary air dampers serve as a check damper also. In fact the secondary damper is described as a check damper in some stove advertisements. This could be the case here. If the air is directly aimed at the fire pot OVER the top over the grate area, then it is for secondary air. This would also tend to check the draft coming in under the grate also.Photog200 wrote:I am 99% sure those are the check dampers. When those are open, you are sucking air in through those and that cuts down on how much air is sucked up through the grates. Another way to control the fire on those windy days.dcrane wrote: Here is a photo showing one of them open?
If the air is channeled back to anywhere in the rear of the stove, then it is expressly for a check draft function. I am certain that these are meant to provide secondary air as their primary purpose.
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That also. It is a nice convenience to be able to poke the fire without having to open the doors.franco b wrote:They are for a slicing poker.
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They are in direct line with the 1/2 or so gap between the bottom of the firepot "fingers" and the top of the round shaker grate (this 1/2 inch gap lines up perfectly with the 1/2 width opening of these air inlets).
I would also like to note that it is truly amazing on a curved surface that these lil' doors have their own cast "stop" that functions so well when I close these lil' doors on each side of the stove I can hear it "click & lock" in place and you would be hard pressed to get compressed air to penetrate this seal (with NO gasket whatsoever! )
also note to self... buy a case of PB blaster before any more resto's )
Hope that helps someone determine exactly what these are for???
I would also like to note that it is truly amazing on a curved surface that these lil' doors have their own cast "stop" that functions so well when I close these lil' doors on each side of the stove I can hear it "click & lock" in place and you would be hard pressed to get compressed air to penetrate this seal (with NO gasket whatsoever! )
also note to self... buy a case of PB blaster before any more resto's )
Hope that helps someone determine exactly what these are for???
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Then they are for poking the fire with the doors closed. You wouldn't want some fastidious Victorian lady to get dust all over her oriental, bric a brac collection. That simply wouldn't be acceptable.dcrane wrote:They are in direct line with the 1/2 or so gap between the bottom of the firepot "fingers" and the top of the round shaker grate (this 1/2 inch gap lines up perfectly with the 1/2 width opening of these air inlets).
I would also like to note that it is truly amazing on a curved surface that these lil' doors have their own cast "stop" that functions so well when I close these lil' doors on each side of the stove I can hear it "click & lock" in place and you would be hard pressed to get compressed air to penetrate this seal (with NO gasket whatsoever! )
also note to self... buy a case of PB blaster before any more resto's )
Hope that helps someone determine exactly what these are for???
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never seen a lil' poker hole in the side of a stove before This lil' beauty's got it allll! now all I need to do is get a flu pipe in my closet so I can be toasy warm while searching through my suitswsherrick wrote:Then they are for poking the fire with the doors closed. You wouldn't want some fastidious Victorian lady to get dust all over her oriental, bric a brac collection. That simply wouldn't be acceptable.dcrane wrote:They are in direct line with the 1/2 or so gap between the bottom of the firepot "fingers" and the top of the round shaker grate (this 1/2 inch gap lines up perfectly with the 1/2 width opening of these air inlets).
I would also like to note that it is truly amazing on a curved surface that these lil' doors have their own cast "stop" that functions so well when I close these lil' doors on each side of the stove I can hear it "click & lock" in place and you would be hard pressed to get compressed air to penetrate this seal (with NO gasket whatsoever! )
also note to self... buy a case of PB blaster before any more resto's )
Hope that helps someone determine exactly what these are for???
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Is that the thing their talking about a "Glory hole"?
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Im guessing the "glory hole " is for lighting other things. Candles ect. Bic lighters weren't in every junk drawer in everyones home in 1890.
BTW: nice find Mr. Crane. I look forward to seeing this thing put back into service.
BTW: nice find Mr. Crane. I look forward to seeing this thing put back into service.
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yea... this one I'm going to do for sure ... firing up the tig machine as we speak to get on that finialWanna Bee wrote:Im guessing the "glory hole " is for lighting other things. Candles ect. Bic lighters weren't in every junk drawer in everyones home in 1890.
BTW: nice find Mr. Crane. I look forward to seeing this thing put back into service.
I hate letting the MONSTER 6' Glenwood Baseburner go but I will never own a large home again and its just to big for me
Are your openings like that one from the Golden Bride? Supposed to be for poking at the base of the coal bed. On my Sunny Side, I needed to poke around the grate to get some hard pieces from blocking the grate rotation stuck between the outer of the grate and the bottom of the teeth. Never arrived in the Golden but a few times in the Sunny. I did some modifs that will ???probably correct that problem on the Sunny.
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Yep... I guess that's what they are for (Im assuming nut coal is the size I'll be using because its about 1/2 inch gap between bottom of fingers on pot to top of round grate (so I'm hoping nut wont get jammed), I also noticed their is a slight concave shape to my grate towards the center dump slide (its very unusual and possibly this was done to prevent exactly what your talking about)... I will take some photos of it after I figure out how to get the freeeking thing out Im having difficulty figuring out how to remove the magazine, firepot without having to take the entire stove apart
also... I have the doors removed, brackets removed from doors and removed the 36 pieces of Mica!!! WTF where they thinking? I see no way to use one piece per door either (because of lil' cast dimples the pieces of mica must fit in-between). Ive never worked with mica before but it sure seems easier to grind those lil dimples off and use one large piece??? can mica be pressed onto the dimples without hurting it (im wondering if that was the original intent?) .... 36 freeeking pieces
also... I have the doors removed, brackets removed from doors and removed the 36 pieces of Mica!!! WTF where they thinking? I see no way to use one piece per door either (because of lil' cast dimples the pieces of mica must fit in-between). Ive never worked with mica before but it sure seems easier to grind those lil dimples off and use one large piece??? can mica be pressed onto the dimples without hurting it (im wondering if that was the original intent?) .... 36 freeeking pieces