Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:31 am

Ok... whos gonna buy one of these to try it out and does anyone have any skeptical opinions/comments (seems I could throw one of these together for about $200.00 in steel toothy )

Ashpan the size of my wallet last 36 hours :wtf:

dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:51 am

Dan from out the Fireplace Gallery was telling me about that at the Meet and Greet.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:08 am

Richard S. wrote:Dan from out the Fireplace Gallery was telling me about that at the Meet and Greet.


It certainly it an easy peasy stove that anyone with a welder can throw together in an afternoon! I'd like to try one just for kicks N giggles :lol:
I would also like to hear thoughts & opinions from some members here about the validity/concept of it (what happens if you forget to empty the ash pan every 36 hours... or hour toothy ?)

where does the water coil go? "This modern design is made to fit in any homes decor"... really :jawdrop:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404


Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:24 am

I dont think its a bad idea. Sure its needs some cosmetic improvements but I would purchase this over a standard electric run pellet stove. Nothin touches good ole coal heat but the availability of pellets vs coal is a sure sell for someone further away from coal country trying to heat a small area. Hey its better than funding Jihad!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: VanWert VA 400
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:38 am

Richard S. wrote:Dan from out the Fireplace Gallery was telling me about that at the Meet and Greet.


Yes, and I got to see it when I stopped down to Dan's shop.
Dan says it's inventer is in Oregon and thats where they are manufactured...but to get this product to the Eastern US markets the company is commissioning D S Stoves to fabricate them in PA.

These non-electric stoves do need to be tinkered with to get them burning right...Dan said he was having a time at it due to the difference in the Western Wood Speices of Pellets that the inventor uses compaired to the Eastern Wood Speices of Pellets common to this part of country. [hardwoods vs. softwoods dealing w/ btus]
It doesn't appear to be plug n play. ;)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
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Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:40 am

Stack temps. very high, not enough heat exchange surface.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:28 am

franco b wrote:Stack temps. very high, not enough heat exchange surface.


thats essencially a "Z" shaped 700% flu pipe (Draft will be like a locamotive running down hill with jet prepulsion!) :lol: thats a crapload of heat flying out the chimney at a rapid pase (good observation Franco!)

any other thoughts, design fixes, etc?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:08 pm

That is actually a good idea. I wonder if it would work with coal because of the combustion air coming from underneath. Maybe it can be modified to work
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:27 pm

Definitely for the pellet fanatic:) Hell, he's right up there with the old coal fanatic :clap: toothy
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:31 pm

Never met a pellet I liked. Either wet, clumping or fines, it's just not worth it and it is the nature of the beast. No stove will design around that one.
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:54 pm

Can you really burn it at 58,000 BTU's for up to 36 hours on a single bag of pellets?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
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Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:11 pm

lsayre wrote:Can you really burn it at 58,000 BTU's for up to 36 hours on a single bag of pellets?

If a bag of pellets contains that Btu, then yes, but since the stove depends on strong draft for clean burn and to feed the pellets the stack temperature has to remain high and heat exchange minimal meaning a lot of that heat up the chimney. UL testing might reveal overall efficiency but I believe it to be low.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:15 pm

Scottscoaled wrote:That is actually a good idea. I wonder if it would work with coal because of the combustion air coming from underneath. Maybe it can be modified to work


rice coal stoker uses no power and no moving parts! wheres Dave toothy I want my name on the patent! :mad3:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:22 pm

A 40 lb. bag of pellets has 330,000 BTU's at 100% efficiency. I'd say its good for about 8,500 to 9,000 BTU's per hour regarding heat output if 1 bag lasts 24 hours. Twice that if one bag lasts 12 hours. But then again, that whopping 700 degree stack temp may mean that far less than what I've calculated here is actually going into the home.

Given the size of the ash pan, pellets must have very little ash.

By comparison, a 40 lb. bag of anthracite at the typical 6% moisture content has about 500,000 BTU's at 100% efficiency, or 300,000 output BTU's at 60% efficiency (which is probably typical of most hand fired coal stoves). 40 lbs. of anthracite every 12 hours would be about 25,000 BTU's per hour of fully useable output heat. If you can get 40 lbs of anthracite to last 24 hours in a hand fired stove you are heating your home on only about 12,500 output BTU's per hour.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
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Re: Pellet Stove uses no electricity!

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:47 pm

I personally think its ridiculous (their I said it)... god forbid you forget to empty that ash pan...think of the chain effect :blowup: until the hopper is ablaze and the 2 inch clearance becomes infinity because your house is gone and all that's left standing is some funky lookin Z for Zorro sitting amidst the ashes :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404