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Re: Carmike cinemas

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:11 pm

samhill wrote:Flyer, in a dark rapid spontaneous moment how in the hell would you know where shots are going to be fired? If you have it in a situation like that then IMO you either (if lucky enough to not be a victim or a family member) or you shouldn't even be allowed to carry again. In a case where someone freezes or finally finds out that it ain't as easy to return fire as it is to shoot a target or animal I could more understand that than being in the mindset that if you don't shoot toward me or mine I won't fire. Nothing personal JMHO having had to use a weapon against a human & receiving fire I found it isn't the easiest thing to do & if you wait you may never get the shot.


I think my typing came out wrong. My point was with today's environment I would not be running to anything as long as can get me and my family away safely.
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Re: Carmike cinemas

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:28 pm

OK, understood you can't easily run up on a situation & know exactly what's going on, in an enclosed movie theater or such it's pretty easy. Myself at my advanced age I'm starting to think twice or more before getting into anything that isn't my problem. That's pretty much how I ripped my rotator cuff & I wouldn't wish this on anyone so I'll give it some thought before just trying to do what impulse tells me, live & learn I guess. :oops:
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Re: Carmike cinemas

PostBy: Rwalker On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:40 pm

samhill wrote:I hate to say it but just like many have a right to carry a business has a right to post the sign, if they really think someone with criminal intent is going to abide by a sign then shame on them. The sad part of the whole thing is that in a civilized society (which likely doesn't exist anymore) there would be a need for neither. :(


Shocking that your opinion would differ. I have come to expect it with every post. An armed society is a polite society.

Well said and to add to it I we have a right to spend our money elsewhere as well.

BTW Aurora had these signs posted


And I did. I used my movie money to buy yet another 100 round box of 12 gauge shells and a long sleeved camo shirt.

samhill wrote:To say the truth we don't go to see a movie too often nor do I carry often but I would probably be guilty of walking right past a sign thinking nothing of it, I would wonder if something should happen would the establishment actually put up much of a fuss if a crime was prevented? If so around here anyway I would think they might as well just close up shop.


The sign would not deter me from carrying. Had I decided to see the movie, the wife and I both would have carried into the theater regardless of their liberal sign. I just do not wish to spend ANY money with businesses that have caved to the liberal witch hunt agenda.

samhill wrote:Flyer, in a dark rapid spontaneous moment how in the hell would you know where shots are going to be fired? If you have it in a situation like that then IMO you either (if lucky enough to not be a victim or a family member) or you shouldn't even be allowed to carry again. In a case where someone freezes or finally finds out that it ain't as easy to return fire as it is to shoot a target or animal I could more understand that than being in the mindset that if you don't shoot toward me or mine I won't fire. Nothing personal JMHO having had to use a weapon against a human & receiving fire I found it isn't the easiest thing to do & if you wait you may never get the shot.


I have played this out 100 times in my head. If we are in a theater and some psycho comes in shooting, my family is getting down on the ground immediately while I scan the scene for the gunman. Movie screens make more light then you think, it would be fairly easy to see the muzzle flash of the shooter and amid the chaos, the likely hood that he is going to see you first is minimal. If I had a shot, I would take it. If he got within 20 feet of my family I am ambushing him and emptying the clip. Shooting a living, breathing human may be harder then one thinks, but I would never, ever hesitate to save the life of my wife and kids. Never. Whether that means hand to hand combat, edged weapons, or using my gun, my family comes first. Their survival trumps everything else.

I have never had to pull my gun and use it. I have pulled it once, we were in a fast food parking lot in the suburbs of Detroit and a young black guy was walking through the parking lot scoping cars. He spotted us and approached and I shook my head no at him. He hesitated, then continued to advance so I pulled my .45 so he had a full view of it. He stopped, turned, and quickly walked away. No idea what he wanted, and I didn't care to find out. I had my wife and kids in the car. Later that night there was a car jacking in the same area, no idea if the kid was involved or not...
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Re: Carmike cinemas

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:25 pm

Say what you want RW, I have seen combat experienced veterans freeze at times, can't explain why but it happens, normally short because someone or something snaps them out of it but I really believe that no one can say with 100% certainty how they would react. JMHO, I have seen it with my own eyes, from experience few things ever play out exactly like one might believe it's just one of those unpredictable things.
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Re: Carmike cinemas

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:51 am

Of course it is unpredictable. Violence always is. You never know when you will be selected as a target, so we prepare for any and all possible issues.

For example, my wife and I just celebrated our anniversary. Most husbands would probably by their wives jewelry or flowers or take them out to a nice dinner. My wife got a Crimson Trace laser for her .380 which, I might add, has made her freaking amazing with that little dragon of a gun. I got camo pants, a few more camo shirts, another Glock mag I have had on my wish list, and a new chainsaw. All things used to prepare.

No one can say 100% how they would respond. If you have ever read "Deep Survival: Who lives, who dies, and why" by Gonzales, you would see that there have been experienced fighter pilots who have been coming in to an aircraft carrier to low. Every bell and whistle is going off telling them they are too low, and they freeze and hit the front of the runway. They just couldn't simply reach forward and pull up. Why? Who knows. He also talks about how a bunch of snowmobile riders sat and watched an avalanche coming right at them. Some of them beat feat and made it out alive, some sat frozen on their machines and got crushed under tons of snow and ice.

We don't know 100% how we are going to react, but if we do our best to subject ourselves to certain stressors in training, we can attempt to mimic situations as much as possible and train our bodies and minds to react automatically. This way this is no hesitation, you are simply responding to a stimulus that you have responded to 1000 times before. The only difference is this time it is a real knife or a real bullet. I watched something on TV once where they took the heart rates of snipers before they pulled the trigger. Regular Joes have an increase in heart rate and respirations, anyone who has had a big white tail buck in their scope knows what I am talking about! Trained sniper's heart rates actually decrease prior to pulling the trigger. It has become second nature to them, it is as easy as lifting a spoon of cornflakes to their mouths. Competitive shooters have been known to use beta blockers and ace inhibitors for this very reason!

No, I have never been in the military, but I have been in and around a lot of violent situations and I use them all as training tools. I assess my response and how it could have been better. When confronted with an irate tenant of the state, I remain calm, I control my breathing, and I assess the situation and all possible outcomes.

The same comes to my firearm and knife training.

I pray I never have to use either.
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