What happens when the gas don't shine?

What happens when the gas don't shine?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:00 am

Most of us have heard the issues with solar and wind, it can't replace baseload provided by nuclear, coal and natural gas but as the natural gas booms and more people use it that is becoming an issue for natural gas too. You can stock pile mountains of coal at a coal fired plant, a nuclear power plant in this context has an infinite amount of fuel but natural gas without on site storage is limited to the volume in the pipe. With increased demand it's straining the supply.

On Feb. 9, the temperature in Boston dipped 15 degrees below freezing. Much of New England was under the white embrace of a brutal nor'easter, and electric utilities and gas companies struggled to keep their power lines pumping heat and light.

The utilities fought each other for natural gas, which supplies more than 50 percent of electric plants in that area. And while widespread blackouts were avoided, in the end, the prices of both electricity and heat quadrupled when they were most needed.

That is a cautionary tale for Pennsylvania and the electric grid that serves it -- Valley Forge-based PJM Interconnection, which is expecting an influx of new, gas-fired power plants and the retirement of more than a dozen coal plants over the next several years.

When gas is used for electricity and also for heat, there needs to be enough space in the pipeline to serve both masters.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/businessnew ... z2caXgQESd
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Re: What happens when the gas don't shine?

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:09 am

With a hole poked in the ground up the road, this is a good problem for us in PA. Need some infrastructure established but it will be here soon. No need to rush it, id prefer it be done right, not in a hurry hurry hurry atmosphere. I do like where I live, well as long as I dont need to go anywhere :lol:
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Re: What happens when the gas don't shine?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:23 am

anthony7812 wrote:With a hole poked in the ground up the road, this is a good problem for us in PA. Need some infrastructure established but it will be here soon. No need to rush it, id prefer it be done right, not in a hurry hurry hurry atmosphere. I do like where I live, well as long as I dont need to go anywhere :lol:


Anthony they are putting gas line in near here to directly feed customers in the Wyoming Valley, it should lower costs. It's being fought tooth and nail.
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Re: What happens when the gas don't shine?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:08 am

" This will necessarily make electricity costs skyrocket" Where did I hear this quote before?
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Re: What happens when the gas don't shine?

PostBy: oros35 On: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:05 am

Being in the electric industry, We've been hearing a ton lately.

Electric prices follow the price of gas. Right now there is an abundance of gas and the price is cheap. That is one big factor in closing several of our coal fired plants. The other is EPA changes that cost more than the plant can generate in revinue. It costs more to make the electric than it's worth.

I'm in Nuclear. We are still feeling it. Due to additional regulations and aging plants, the cost to run a Nuke plant has increased about 23% over the last 8 years. (9/11, Fukushima, EPA, etc. have all added significant operating costs to the plant too) There are 4 Nuke plants shutting down because it costs more to make the power than they can sell it for. Not quite the nuclear revolution predicted a few years ago.

I'm all for gas production though. It's clean energy, good jobs for the area, and benifits every land owner. I just got my first check from Range Resources last month, every little bit helps.

Once we get the infastructure in place, the market will settle down. Untill then, it's going to be a rough ride.
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