Syrian Conflict

Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:59 pm

Don't get me wrong on this, a war is the last thing I want to see, in fact I'm surprised by all the negative con feedback. After all there is a lot of money to be made, normally he gets blamed for not doing something or doing it without "Congress" oh yea that's right they are still out in the recess yards. The shame is if you are part of the Chemical Warfare Ban & do nothing then I say get out of the ban, bring back napalm, flachettes & anything else we gave up, if no one else backs us up get out of the U.N. & NATO, we are about the only ones that pay. Pull out of Afghanistan now big oil can provide their own private army. I don't think for one second he ever considered any boots on the ground but I, m glad that it seems like everyone is finally getting tired of war. :shock: That is except for McCain & a few others that say some love darts will be too little.
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:08 pm

samhill wrote:Don't get me wrong on this, a war is the last thing I want to see, in fact I'm surprised by all the negative con feedback. After all there is a lot of money to be made, normally he gets blamed for not doing something or doing it without "Congress" oh yea that's right they are still out in the recess yards. The shame is if you are part of the Chemical Warfare Ban & do nothing then I say get out of the ban, bring back napalm, flachettes & anything else we gave up, if no one else backs us up get out of the U.N. & NATO, we are about the only ones that pay. Pull out of Afghanistan now big oil can provide their own private army. I don't think for one second he ever considered any boots on the ground but I, m glad that it seems like everyone is finally getting tired of war. :shock: That is except for McCain & a few others that say some love darts will be too little.


Shouldn't the world leader in stockpiled chemical weapons prove itself to be the world leader in a desire to ban them by getting rid of their own first to set the example? Talk about being hypocritical.

As Jesus is claimed to have once said: "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." English Standard Version (ESV), Matthew 7:3-5

Likewise, and for the same reason, shouldn't the worlds best hope for peace set the example of such and get rid of the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, the NDAA, the NSA, and a bunch of additional laws (many of which are merely Executive Orders) that are making it drift so far from freedom that the very meaning of it has all but been forgotten?
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:29 pm

As CN has said before, before removing that spec of rice from your brothers eye get that piece of stove out of your own. Or if you are a liberal get those pieces of egg out of both your eyes as you are obviously totally blind. An ear inspection would also be recommended and perhaps brain surgery. "The Coal burners Bible, eye surgery and care with the coal shovel"
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:38 am

Just putting this out there, please don't shoot me.. tried to embed, no luck..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 5QF4#t=807
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:46 am

I sent this to the WH in order to help out. So he gave it a spin, the answer came up NO and so off to the links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moU8r2eYokA
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:21 am

On the brighter side of this, our resident fascist wannabee, seeking to establish his legacy, has been duly spanked into his proper place of having to ask Congress for permission to wage war. That he attempted it without congress should be an impeachable offense as it is an abridgment of the Constitution. The fact that those before him in the Presidency have done likewise does not change anything, sans for those who believe that subjectivity and past precedence trumps Constitutionally established objective law.

This should be seen as a victory for the people. Lets hope that Congress doesn't rubber stamp this for our President, and grant him the oligarchic powermongering legacy he seeks.
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:34 am

Here is a little bit of information that perhaps just perhaps some here may read & believe but most likely not no matter where it comes from. As a hint don't forget who the Fed is controlled by & their favored location. But as always with me, it boils down to follow naa never mind. http://www.dailypaul.com/297135/syria-t ... e-pipeline
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:51 am

lsayre wrote:... our resident fascist wannabee ... has been duly spanked into his proper place of having to ask Congress for permission to wage war. That he attempted it without congress should be an impeachable offense as it is an abridgment of the Constitution ... This should be seen as a victory for the people.

I can't share your optimistic view of a "victory for the people". Yes, the Constitution sets forth procedures for going to war. But in spite of that, the frightening reality is that Obama didn't just "attempt" it and he didn't "have to ask Congress for permission". He apparently COULD have gone ahead with the attack, had he decided to do so, and the military would have followed his orders. It's a "victory" only in that we elected someone with the common sense (and humility?) to stop short of what he COULD have done. But that doesn't stop him, or any other president, from waging stupid and illegal wars in our name in the future.

Perhaps what we need, to reinforce the Constitution, is an additional amendment or new laws that would hold military leaders accountable as war criminals if they carried out orders plainly at odds with the Constitution.
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:43 am

rberq wrote:It's a "victory" only in that we elected someone with the common sense (and humility?) to stop short of what he COULD have done.


So is he great if he goes to war, and perhaps even greater for his sudden and unexpected unilateral and clearly personal (ungoaded, as in not influenced by Great Britain, Putin, China, the Constitution, or any other inside or outside influence) show of humility and humanity? I.E., Is he great no matter what he does, despite our Constitution? Sort of like a Roman Caesar....
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:17 am

What is considered a War anymore? Is it putting forces in another country, occupying, sending some missiles for an infraction for using WMDs that you have sworn to do or something else entirely? Not sure but wasn't the last Congressional War WW2?
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:21 am

samhill wrote:What is considered a War anymore? Is it putting forces in another country, occupying, sending some missiles for an infraction for using WMDs that you have sworn to do or something else entirely? Not sure but wasn't the last Congressional War WW2?


Why do you ask? What are you trying to defend? What are you evading?
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:31 pm

The USA has used poison gas on its own citizens.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/mike ... civilians/
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:35 pm

Isayre, your right again, I was trying to evade, conspire & or defend. Never once did I ask since I know I could never receive an answer or opinion. :surrender:
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:10 pm

samhill wrote:Isayre, your right again, I was trying to evade, conspire & or defend. Never once did I ask since I know I could never receive an answer or opinion. :surrender:


OK, I'll bite. As long as we kill but don't get killed it isn't a war. Or if we start losing our own, as long as we don't call it a war, it isn't. If it's called a limited strike operation it isn't a war. If they are bad and we are good it isn't a war. It's all very subjective and confusing. I'll just have to watch CNN or MSNBC, or read the NY Times or the Huffington Post to see what it really is.
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Re: Our Resident Genius

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:28 pm

Although I doubt that Assad gassed his own people, he is clearly embroiled in a civil war, and as such he is killing citizens of his country who oppose him. Would a President of the United States order his military to kill US citizens if they likewise decided to revolt? And what if the government being defended on our very soil was seen by the rest of the world (or at least by the resident bullies of the world who could manipulate the UN's security council) to be the evil party in the equation. What then? And if things turned bad for the entrenched government, and the tide was turning, would it resort to WMD's?

That reminds me. Assad currently has the upper hand and is winning. Why throw that all away by using WMD's on your own citizens?
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