Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:01 pm

I hate to admit it but I've never really been into politics or paid much attention to the hoopla on the news, so on and so forth whatever. After reading thru the different mind sets of how a liberal and conservative people look at things, its easy to see how the fire gets fueled :lol: :lol: I can confidently say I'm a right winger 8-)

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:16 pm

As honest as I can be, im 85% con. 2 or 3 beliefs is not how either party want to handle the case. Not everything is as cut and dry as listed.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: cmk9180 On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:37 am

Congrats and welcome to conservatism, lightning!!! I was a liberal until grade seven. Then my social studies teacher talked to us about the bill of rights and asked the class what we thought about gun control. One kid said: "people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. People are being killed for no reason!!" I stood up and said, "how is that my problem? I obey the laws. That's like me getting punished for something you did!"

The teacher said I made an excellent argument.

Welcome again!!
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:40 am

Conservatives and Liberals both want the same thing for the most part, the difference is how to get from point A to point B.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:13 am

Richard S. wrote:Conservatives and Liberals both want the same thing for the most part, the difference is how to get from point A to point B.



Somewhat. Conservatives are a live and let live mentality. I don't impose my beliefs on you by forcing it down your throat, Is the conservative view . Liberals want you to do things their way no matter what and will try to do anything to get that result. Most liberals have very good intentions and really mean no harm, but they believe they have to help everyone and set the rules to protect everyone. Where conservatives like to allow people to learn on their own.

Its the old adage of . Liberals will give the man who is hungry the fish to eat. Where the conservative will help teach the man how to fish and allow him to be responsible for his own meals.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:51 pm

IMO liberalism is just another word for communism albeit a soft and gentle(er) form but, has the power to become stronger.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:17 pm

In my opinion the idea of only having the choices of left and right is totally inadequate. On and off I've toyed with coming up with a spectrum that is more all encompassing. See the attached PDF. It is clearly by no means perfect, but I feel that generally most of us sit somewhere on the outside of this spectrum circle.

The circle may be interpreted many ways. For example, when it comes to war, it seems to me that those of us sitting at or below the horizontal mid-line would tend to find a war that is not for self defense fully acceptable. The further below the horizontal center line the more acceptable initiating war that is not in self defense becomes. It matters little in this war example if they are on the left or the right.

I think Rand Paul sits in roughly the Objectivist slot. Ron Paul in the Libertarian slot. Dennis Kucinich in the Social Democrat to (more recently) Social Libertarian slot. That these examples sit above the horizontal center line means that they are outcasts from the left and outcasts from the right. Their own parties hate them.

The Tea Party is an enigma, and it would waffle between sitting just below an Objectivist to just above a neocon, with members spanning that broad general range.

The mainstream of the left and right both currently sit measurably below the horizontal center line. That the Tea Party ventures above this line to any extent makes them outcasts.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:44 pm

Lets look at it by the #s instead of the BS, go ahead & prove it wrong I know that talk is cheap & #s lie so it should be easy to prove wrong. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/02 ... publicans/
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: plumb-r On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:28 pm

Boy oh boy "Samhill" that link you left speaks volumes about where you come up with that dribble. For me I just equate cons and libs simply as good vs evil, god vs the devil, and of course Conservatives are the good ones. :yes:
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:50 pm

I'm strongly in the Ron Paul camp, but If my only choices for President were Barack Obama and Dennis Kucinich, I would pull the lever for Kucinich.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:00 pm

I've added a dashed red line to my political spectrum PDF where I believe the bulk of mainstream America sits at present.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:06 pm

Ah yes Plumb, another difference between C&L I post a link full of easily disproven numbers (that is if they are false) & a con will say it's the source, when Lightning posted a right wing source of very questionable beliefs I said nothing & just let it ride to see all the replies. A Lib will investigate but a Con will swear it's tru it's tru. ;)
Another source, same results with a slightly different approach to finding the facts. http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung ... -democrat/ Once again easily disputed if false. :o
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:22 pm

I find it totally humorous (or more properly, ridiculous, or ludicrous) that Presidents create jobs. Business owners and entrepreneurs and landowners (as in farmers) create jobs.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:48 pm

I only got as far as Oblama has created more jobs in 40 months then 3 GOP pres. rolled together. What a hilarious joke, and no Sam, I am not going to waste ONE minute or second researching it. Any job creation has been gov. workers which are a net loss because of their pay and benefits which the working people have to fund. Jobs in the oil fields are on private land and are being created in SPITE of this ass hat. Texas is booming and the only credit the libs get is driving them out of California in droves to someplace that values working. The Keystone pipeline might have helped his numbers but he nixed that. So what jobs? Teachers, policemen, firefighters? We already had them and his stimulus funded that and that is not job creation. It is spending us into oblivion. Just like Detroit. How is that working out?

Kevin

I didn't have to research that, it is just what I could think of offhand. I am sure there is more.
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Re: Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:00 pm

Living in a state full of moonbats, I feel I'm an expert at this, since I'm a people watcher by nature. I'll keep it brief to keep my anger in check. ;)

Progressives: think everything and everyone needs to conform to "their" set of "standards". "They" know what's "best" for everyone, because more than likely, they are, or have been, involved with academia at some point, and thus, in their mind, are automatically elevated to superior intelligence above all those who aren't "smart enough" to agree with them. Change is how they roll - EVERYTHING must change ... to suit THEIR preference. Emotion takes precedent over common sense - anything to achieve their "goal" - molding the world into a place THEY want, and believe is best for the rest of the "uncivilized", "uneducated" masses.

Conservatives: are logical. We understand what works and what doesn't work, because we read history, and learn from our mistakes, by applying COMMON SENSE. We are happy to be governed by an "old" "outdated" document, which created the best, most powerful country on the face of the earth, and has created the free market system which has brought more people out of squalor and slavery than ANY progressive think-tank dream session ever can .. or will. We believe in HARD WORK. We are charitable. We realize that EVERY person should be FREE to SUCCEED or FAIL, and that NOBODY has any obligation to guarantee either!
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