Future Uncertain for Deep Mining

Ventalating a mine 24/7 is not needed in anthracite mines.Bituminous mines on the other hand have a much larger amount of gas in them to begin with. The reason that accident happened in tremont was because long established proper ANTHRACITE mining procedures werent followed. If those miners were in that mine the fan was running. It wouldn't of mattered if the fan was running 2 hours or 48 hours. Some of what msha is doing not only doesn't make sense in a anthracite mine, a lot of it makes the mine much more dangerous.

e.alleg wrote: Your windmill will be less ugly than a strip mine, that is for certain.

You know I don’t find a strip mine that ugly myself, I think it is fascinating to see the exposed layers of earth and how they bend and change composition as you get closer to what we see as the surface, I like to see how we use the massive machines to carve away at the layers . If you want to see a nice section of lets call it strip mine art go the Coal Creek shopping center in St. Clair this was built on former Reading Strip lands, look along the wall that run west side of the lot and you can see the stone turn to shale and it is amazing how the coal was peeled away and the shale left hanging also the way the water works it's way down . If you rush by and just see a hole it might appear ugly but if you stop look and think for a minute there is something to be appreciated .

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/topogeo/pnhp/whaleback.aspx

e.alleg wrote:

pbmax wrote: How about pumping 10 billion into carbonless fuel source? Wind, solar etc. It would create new jobs that don't require hard-working people to go underground and get trapped and die.
If I had a windmill & good solar exposure I'd be happy to use my electric heat. But the electricity comes from coal anyway so ... I'll do it myself.

Just FYI you can buy a windmill for about $20,000-$25,000 installed that will supply all the electricity you could ever use and even sell some back to the grid. No pollution at all, just a 150 foot tower in the yard. Your windmill will be less ugly than a strip mine, that is for certain. The only problem is $25,000 buys a lot of electricity, so payback with a windmill (considering maintenance, repairs, and useful life span) is probably never.

My college roommate's father told me once that the best $10,000 he ever spent was the windmill in his yard (Outside Dallas, TX) Paid back in 10 years and never paid an electric bill since it was installed.
That was before Waco put in their big wind farms.
My yards not as big, but I don't think the township has ordinance on windmills (yet). Might just add it to the mortage. Yay debt.

That's only suitable for rural areas, nothing wrong with it and if I lived in rural area I'd probably consider it. Having said that I find the large industrial ones quite obtrusive, they installed a few along the tops of the one side of the Valley a few years ago and you can see them clear from the other side, as in 4 to 5 miles away and they probably span an area 2 or 3 miles in width across the mountain. Not very aesthetic IMO and now they are going to be there decades probably,

Yeah Richard and from what I heard the electricity is being exported to New Jersey. I wouldn't mind looking at them everyday if we were benefiting from them.

Mining is dangerous work , period, and every miner knows that.However, It is allot safer then it used to be. I feel for any family who has lost a loved one! Weather miner or soldier, etc.
But the most dangerous thing that the majority of people do is simiply driving their car.
Oh course, if regulators at DOT had it their way, the national speed limit would be 5 MPH and a 4 way stop sign or traffic light at every intersection! That would cut death rates from Motor Vehicles by about 99%. Saving 1000's of lives annually! Of course the side effects would be unimaginable. Think about that!

I agree...goverments should do more incentivising than legistlating things like this. There are a LOT of dangerous jobs out there that people do! Police, Fire, Mines, Factories, etc. etc. We can't legistlate everything they do. Just like the requirements on cars to me a specificl MPG that was just passed....why not incintivise private industry to meet certain standards, thus creating competition and jobs instead of legistlate them out of existance.

There has to be checks and balances on all sides but the bottom line is, we need jobs and private corporations to provide them. If you put so many legistlations against the coporations that they can't make a profit without sending all the jobs overseas (to countries that don't care) then we have no jobs!

We're still the greatest country on earth, I just hope the corporations can stay and provide jobs so we can make a living.

God Bless America!

This is an online petition for helping the Anthracite Miners in PA.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pacoalminers#signatures

Just FYI you can buy a windmill for about $20,000-$25,000 installed that will supply all the electricity you could ever use and even sell some back to the grid. No pollution at all, just a 150 foot tower in the yard. Your windmill will be less ugly than a strip mine, that is for certain. The only problem is $25,000 buys a lot of electricity, so payback with a windmill (considering maintenance, repairs, and useful life span) is probably never.

My college roommate's father told me once that the best $10,000 he ever spent was the windmill in his yard (Outside Dallas, TX) Paid back in 10 years and never paid an electric bill since it was installed.
That was before Waco put in their big wind farms.
My yards not as big, but I don't think the township has ordinance on windmills (yet). Might just add it to the mortage. Yay debt.

I almost pulled the trigger on a wind turbine last year. NYS offers 50% refund including installation costs for things like turbines. The problem was the wind maps for our area show that we're on the edge of what is considered acceptable for enough wind. I'd have to put the thing 250' in the air to ensure a decent amount of wind, but the paybacks in NY are quick. I was at $16K to $22K installed depending on the unit. Very tempting indeed.

spc wrote:This is an online petition for helping the Anthracite Miners in PA.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pacoalminers#signatures

Not saying don't sign it but online petitions are all but useless, to have any effect you need real signatures, real addresses, from real people.

Bootleggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwDw91yeDsc&eurl= ... coalminers

If anybody has a chance to see this movie, even if your not really interested in coal mining, you should see it. I know a couple of people who went to see it and there better half went along ( guilted in to going ) and they found it interesting. After watching that movie the busy morning commute or that office elevator that just doesn't move as quick as you would like doesn't seem so bad anymore..... sorry I just broke in to my tour speech on that!