Lasting cold era ahead

Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: dll On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:51 pm

'Lasting cold era' Ahead Says Space and Science Research Center.
Here is the first paragraph from a new posting on the site for the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida.
January 2, 2008
Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun’s surface. The SSRC has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era.


Read the rest of the article here:
http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html
and more here:
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: av8r On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:57 pm

I guess Algore will have to give back his Peace prize...heeheheh
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:02 pm

Better fire up more coal stoves worldwide to prevent this calamity. :roll:
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:06 pm

This can't possibly be true.
An untold number of people have built and are in the process of building entire careers on the premise of Global Warming!
What will ALGORE do now?
I can't bring myself to click on the link you posted.
This may be bigger news then Fake Arnold Schwarzenegger's plan to simultaneously fire a series of strategically located rockets and move the earth a few inches away from the sun to stop global warming.
ALGORE where are you when we need you the most? :nana:
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: dll On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:09 pm

Real science is done with algorithms
Real science fiction is done with AlGore_ithms
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: spc On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:14 pm

See you have to understand, global warming is causing substantial changes in the sun’s surface :doh:
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: av8r On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:19 pm

spc wrote:See you have to understand, global warming is causing substantial changes in the sun’s surface :doh:


I can just imagine what new, "scientific" responses we'll get now.
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: dll On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:28 pm

Global warming alarmism is extremely useful as a form of employment
for those that have failed in everything else.
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:42 pm

Jokes aside after reading the article I'm calling it propaganda, it's sites like these that I have very little respect for and are the types that really get me irked. First the poorly put together web page is the first clue, take a look at the home page. They got some big fancy building the guy might have an office in at most. They mention some NASA report to give it some credence, the NASA report they are referring to in that article makes NO MENTION of the earth getting colder but instead is an article on sun spot activity over the last century. The only thing mentioned that might affect humans is astronaunts space walking during this period. Lastly the NASA article was published back in May of 2006, more than a year and half ago. :roll:
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:08 pm

So it's not true?
I can stop loading the underground bunker with cans of baked beans and capturing my dog's flatulence to use for fuel? :oops:
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: ken On: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:32 pm

are these the same morons that predict hurricans. :)
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: spc On: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:13 pm

ken wrote:are these the same morons that predict hurricans. :)

Now thats funny right there, I don't care what you say toothy
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: dll On: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:49 pm

Remember some of these people that build the sites presented in the original links are not web designers they are people trained in the mathematical sciences.

On the first link:
It appears to me that the John Casey is an independent consultant and not a web site designer. He is using Trellix Site Builder which they say in their ads “you can use to Build a professional-grade Web site in less than an hour”.
More important to me is that Mr. Casey's BS degree is in Physics and Mathematics, this tells me a lot more about his capabilities as a person.
My feeling here is that John Casey is taking some of the public data available from NASA and analyzing it to come up with his view of the global warming controversy.

On the second link:
First off, in case you have not read the url, the site is in Russia. The website is more professional, after looking at the mata tags in the page source I would say that they may be using some high end page generation software.
The author, Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, is a Merited Scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and staff researcher of the Oceanology Institute, has been around for a while and is slightly biased, however, he presents some very convincing information that should be taken very seriously.

Think of climate science in the sense of an entry to this forum from a person that is new to coal heating. He/she starts off with a post titled “ My coal stove won't stay going”. Well the experienced users of coal know right away that there is not a single answer to this problem.
Climate science is 1,000 time more complicated than this example and anyone that comes up with a single factor that they say causes climate change is full of anal material. Even those people that say they have computer models of the climate are full of the same stuff. I have done a lot of model writing myself and know that I can make the outcome say anything I want it to be.
I do suggest that you pay attention to anybody that comes up with anything on the “global warming /climate change” subject because usually there is some truth to the every claim. The best place I have found that is unbiased and scientific at the same time is http://www.climateaudit.org/
This site is highly technical and can be difficult to understand by those without a degree or experience in the climate and mathematical sciences, it is also the winner of the “Best Science Blog for 2007”.

In a passing note for those that may be curious, I have been a consultant to manufacturing companies for 18 years and specialize in mathematical analysis of industrial processes. For the past two years all of my time has been taken up by a single client that has not liked the results of some of my research but they keep calling me back on additional projects because of the results of the work that I present to them. Unlike the political arena, if I presented them with what they would like to hear then I would not be called back by them because sooner or later the truth would catch up to my conclusions.

I now leave this thread with one of my favorite quotes:
“The environmental movement maintains that science and technology cannot be relied upon to build a safe atomic power plant, to produce a pesticide that is safe, or even bake a loaf of bread that is safe, if that loaf of bread contains chemical preservatives. When it comes to global warming, however,
it turns out that there is one area in which the environmental movement displays the most breathtaking confidence in the reliability of science and technology, an area in which, until recently, no one — even the staunchest supporters of science and technology — had ever thought to assert very much
confidence at all. The one thing, the environmental movement holds, that science and technology can do so well that we are entitled to have unlimited confidence in them, is forecast the weather! — for the next one hundred years...” ~ George Reisman
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:11 pm

Well my views are not based solely on how well the web page is designed. My main point of contention is that this person is trying to make himself out to be more than he is. I'll again point the picture of the nice modern office building on the very top of front page. Why even bother with deceptive practices?

caption under the picture wrote:SSRC Location In Orlando, Florida


That IMO is only an attempt to deceive people into thinking this organization is more than it is.

The second thing I have issue with is the wording of the "press release". Let's take the very first sentence for example:

Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun’s surface.


Confirmed? To me that says this organization has the resources of NASA to do an independent study which is highly unlikely.

The article itself is riddled with things to make the organization and the author appear to be prominent, here's another example:

Some of the world’s brightest scientists, also experts in solar physics and the next climate change have joined with me.


Interesting statement as the only scientist listed on that entire website is himself. FYI usin "solar

If solar Flares is his area of expertise then there should be more than few results in Google, doing a search specifically in quotes for "John Casey" "solar flare" or "John Casey" "solar flares" you only get a meager return of about 4 per each search and of those it appears more than half of them don't even concern him. The author of the NASA article on the other hand returns 800 and 2000+ returns for each search. Certainly not an absolute indication but if he was of any importance you would expect there would be some more returns. I've tried other combinations as well such as "solar physics" and "solar physicists", both get meager results.

Laslty there is no information on that site to back up anything he is saying, most of the information is just a rehash of the NASA article with interjected comments from the author about "his findings" but he only gives conclusions with not even a tidbit of information on how he produced them.


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He may very well be right, I'm willing to listen to anyone especially if they have a lot of knowledge about something. However when I see something that is obviously being deceptive anything they have to say has become irrelevant .
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Re: Lasting cold era ahead

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:28 pm

Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun’s surface.


Read the quote again, please.
It says that the SSRC has confirmed the web announcement by NASA.
So the SSRC is telling us that they have confirmed the fact that NASA has made an announcement on the web, the SSRC is not confirming that there are substantial changes occurring anywhere.
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