Flight 93 Responders

Re: Flight 93

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:34 pm

Same old song and dance...

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

In an interview with Gilbert in Göring's jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946);
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:08 pm

For thous of you interested this is one of the best I have seen yet. For the debunkers here, the first 30 minutes should have you asking questions. I post this for the people who lost there lives on that day and for all the others after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8#t=663
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:14 pm

John Kerry says Building 7 had to be brought down in a controlled fashion.

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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:31 pm

Here is a little piece about Larry and Rudy, It is strange that Rudy who built a 20 million dollar command center in wct 7 decided to set up shop elsewhere that day, what did he know.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:32 pm

grumpy wrote:
No Sam you have it backwards , it inner core was the support,


The only thing in that building that could of stood on it's own was the inner core. The load bearing support for the floors came equally from both the skeleton and the inner core, that is just common sense. As far as the skeleton goes the trusses provided lateral support to the skeleton to prevent it from buckling under normal circumstances. You have two structures that rely on each other, if one fails they both fail.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:45 am

Your right Richard, Perhaps I didn't explain correctly but the inner core naturally was a major part of the support for the trusses & the floors. It was more for the vertical support which in most cases would never change & the outer was for both vertical & more so for horizontal since all buildings of any height will flex. IMO the problem was the center core was more or less hollow to concentrate all utilities & elevators to create open surrounding floor space, good for rentable sq. footage but then you have a fairly solid center & flex in the outer so they had more or less space that moved a bit attached with flexible or slide able connections. I have never seen or read exactly what they used but the planes penetrated far enough to open that center core & in effect cause a chimney effect fueled by jet fuel & electrical. It would create enough heat because of the to weaken & melt some inner support & as that weakened & collapsed it caused equal inward & downward pressure dragging the outward support & that's why I think it came down so completely controlled like. Once the inner core could no longer hold the upper pressure it dropped within itself, sorry I'm not good at explaining but I at least gave it a shot rather than some huge Gov. plot for no apparent reason bringing them down with no concern for anything or anybody.
I really think it was well planned & studied, hitting the very upper floors may not have brought them down.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:29 pm

samhill wrote:rather than some huge Gov. plot for no apparent reason bringing them down with no concern for anything or anybody.


First, your government has no concern for anything or anybody. I don't know what gave you the impression they did.

Second, "no apparent reason"??? How much money went to the military-industrial complex? What's the value of the the mining contracts in Afghanistan that went to the Chinese? And those are the two easy ones. Setting up permanent bases in Iraq and bringing them central banking was a bonus.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:30 pm

samhill wrote:rather than some huge Gov. plot for no apparent reason bringing them down with no concern for anything or anybody.

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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:45 pm

Repeat after me Sam.....there was no heat source including the jet fuel that could cause enough heat to melt steel. You just don't get it. And you don't want to. The inner core cold not be disrupted in such a manner by what remained of the estimated 10,000 gallons of jet fuel. AND you totally ignored the other explosions that were not related to the impact. And you ignore the fact that the buildings could not fall in a perfect controlled way without controlled demolition. One building....ah maybe...3 buildings? Nah, the engineers are right. They were taken down and we went to war. Follow the money old boy.


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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:05 pm

It seems to me nobody does..
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