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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:19 am

Richard, there was another crash near the Pittsburgh several years before 2001 it was on approach & at a much lower speed (they actually intended to land), different wooded terrain without the softened ground conditions. There wasn't much left of that one, they more or less made most IDs by seating order & layers of clothing. Engines are normally the only thing besides landing gear that are made well enough to remain somewhat in tact, it's very easy to damage an aircraft easily simply by steeping where you are not supposed to. The jet that went into the Pentagon didn't fly at three feet altitude from whatever the takeoff point was, they saw their target & aimed, air density isn't much of a factor at low altitude & under full throttle especially coming out of a rapid decent, Most of my flying experience was rotary but I did get to low level more than fly at any height & even got to do some fixed wing in either an A1-E or A1-F (always get them mixed up). Those little buggers are pretty fast at any height. :o
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:23 am

freetown fred wrote:Hell, I thought they were called FLAPS--ex: flaps up---flaps down---up for flight---down for drag---Don't tell me John Wayne didn't know what he was talkin about in that movie??????????? :clap: toothy


Fred Bro lol please refer to page 1 for flaps' definition haha
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:29 am

Gotcha---yeah, what the hell---are you a pilot????????????????????? :clap: toothy
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:38 am

freetown fred wrote:Gotcha---yeah, what the hell---are you a pilot????????????????????? :clap: toothy


No lol but..... is yer name really Fred?? :)
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:39 am

Flaps is much easier to spell than those real names, don't hurt the finger as much & everybody saw those John Wayne movies. ;)
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:49 am

Yep--last name-----first name is Freetown ;)
Lightning wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Gotcha---yeah, what the hell---are you a pilot????????????????????? :clap: toothy


No lol but..... is yer name really Fred?? :)
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: gaw On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:20 am

As a thirty three degree Mason I know the truth but am unable to tell you all. Sorry.


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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:22 am

The one and only video of the 'plane' hitting the Pentagon showed whatever it was [not a 757, I'll explain] was traveling virtually parallel to the ground just below the vision of the parking lot camera's view.. what is seen is NOT the tail of any commercial jet aircraft.
Fact: all the surveillance video from all the surrounding stores, parking lots etc were confiscated immediately after the 'crash'. wonder why??
If an airliner is typical, ie: not the Concorde, it will fly at roughly 500-580 mph TRUE AIRSPEED at Cruising Altitude..
This same typical airplane has an indicated 'red line' or maximum indicated airspeed at sea level somewhere around 350 to 390mph.
But the plane could not achieve this at 1' or 5' of altitude, there is a 'ground effect' which makes the air denser, and act a bit like water, creating a wave in front of a fast moving object.. it is a fact and an effect every pilot experiences when landing, It would be virtually impossible to fly level to the ground, in 'clean' or cruise configuration at only a few feet above the surface.

If an airplane is 'forced' to exceed it's redline max speed, the flight controls flutter, depart the plane, pieces fall off, and the plane is uncontrollable. So you cannot 'force' a plane with full power to exceed it's design limits, it will come apart.

There has never been, except for the Pentagon 'plane crash' an airplane striking the ground at near level flight and not having tons of large debris all over the place.. There are NO engines, pieces of tail section, landing gear, wheels, tires etc in any of the remaining photos or video of the post 'crash' fire.
And yet another oddity: an airplane is an amazingly fragile piece of aluminum tube, it does not have the mass to punch a hole through several reinforced concrete walls. The engines might, but if you can find some of the early photos of the 'crash' and fire, you will see only the one central hole, not one bit of side-damage from either engine, and they are much more capable of punching a hole through reinforced concrete. No pieces of the tail, which almost always survives to some extent.

The aerodynamics of the supposed 'crash' don't work, the physics don't work, the 'missing' aka confiscated video from many other and better angles of the arriving 'plane' are not around to support or refute 'the story'.. funny, why not make a few of the other video files available, if, and a BIG IF, they show a 757 arriving on the pentagon lawn ??

It all stinks.. the whole 911 deal stinks..
You believers in 'the story' of 911 ought to think about this: remember TWA 800? the 747 that supposedly blew up in midair because of a spark or two from a bad fuel pump?? [that's another BS story]
There was a huge, maybe the largest ever recovery effort ever, to find and retrieve every part of that plane from the ocean floor.. the FAA, and NTSB and a whole lot of other agencies have about 98% of the plane, in a warehouse near New York, it is all put back 'together' each piece fastened to a framework next to it's matching torn or shattered edge of the next piece..
All of this was done to find out WHAT REALLY happened to the plane.
That assembly of shattered 747 airplane pieces is STILL in the Warehouse.. OK a huge effort to figure out what caused the accident..

OK so now, with the Twin Towers.. where is the steel?? Where are the samples of the 'heat damaged' steel that supposedly sagged and cause the towers to do a PERFECT implosion and fall into their own basements ?? Where are the distorted pieces, the sheared rivets, the molecular analysis of the steel? Hell they did an analysis of the steel rivets in the Titanic, looking for fault.. why not in the Twin Towers??

The steel was removed and immediatly sold as scrap to overseas buyers, The steel taken away and hidden, guarded from the public and the media. Nobody ever investigated the properties of the steel, the structure, the joints, etc.. it was hush-hushed and sent away as fast as it could be done..

A large group of building engineers who are not dependant on the government for work or jobs for their employers have got together and question the perfect collapse of the towers.. and what about building 7 ?? the questions don't end.

Yet for an airplane, the pieces are still being investigated and are still in possession of the government.. strange double standard.

I think that if you believe 'the story' you like looking through wool like a sheep, has wool over it's eyes..

Nuff said..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:15 am

LsFarm wrote:There are NO engines, pieces of tail section, landing gear, wheels, tires etc in any of the remaining photos or video of the post 'crash' fire.


Sure there is, how many do you want to see?

And yet another oddity: an airplane is an amazingly fragile piece of aluminum tube
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You can;t have it both ways and suggest it's fragile and them wonder where it is after the impact, that said the strongest part of the plane is going to be between the two wings. Correct?


it does not have the mass to punch a hole through several reinforced concrete walls.


First of all you have tremendous amount of mass there, the plane, seats, cargo etc. How many hundreds of thousands of pounds? As the speed of something increases the damage it does increases. Here's the space shuttle testing on the foam, it's just foam...




The engines might, but if you can find some of the early photos of the 'crash' and fire, you will see only the one central hole, not one bit of side-damage from either engine,


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A large group of building engineers who are not dependant on the government for work or jobs for their employers have got together and question the perfect collapse of the towers..


The American Society of Engineers did extensive analysis, what else do you want?

and what about building 7 ??


What about it? The last image is the most important one, note what appears to be a black column in the center of the building. That's a partial collapse.

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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: rockwood On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:25 pm

This video isn't just about flight 93 but 911 in general and has the most condensed information in one video I know of detailing names and motives leading up to 911 that should be investigated...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8

Not saying I know what happened that day, but the more evidence I learn about the more convinced I am that the '911 event' is the biggest false flag operation in history.

Believe me, it's very troubling to me to think (allege) something so unthinkable could be perpetrated (or simply allowed to happen) by our own govt and those associated with it but like Greg said, "The whole 911 deal stinks", and I (and many others) just can't ignore all the information out there about it.

When you start connecting the dots regarding the events going on for many decades now, it really puts our govt in a different perspective and makes you question who's really calling the shots (TPTB). Look at what's about to happen with Syria...lots of things in question there.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:10 pm

Not saying I know what happened that day, but the more evidence I learn about the more convinced I am that the '911 event' is the biggest false flag operation in history.


Yep, anyone who is willing to look at the info with open eyes can't help but come to that end.

And this just out, this should be fox,cnn, ect. That will never happen. A bit of truth and a bunch of propaganda, straight from Russia, Oh the timing....

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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:29 pm

I believe airliners flew into the twin towers and the pentagon. I also believe flight 93 flew into the ground. What I do not believe is that no one knew it was coming. We needed an excuse to get into the middle east. And this was perfect for them. I do not believe our government is capable of faking this or actually carrying this out without it leaking from someone. There would be way to many people involved. I do believe the terrorists were simply ignored and not stopped purposely for there true agenda. This I am not quite sure what it is yet.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:36 pm

LsFarm wrote:The one and only video of the 'plane' hitting the Pentagon showed whatever it was [not a 757, I'll explain] was traveling virtually parallel to the ground just below the vision of the parking lot camera's view.. what is seen is NOT the tail of any commercial jet aircraft.
Fact: all the surveillance video from all the surrounding stores, parking lots etc were confiscated immediately after the 'crash'. wonder why??
If an airliner is typical, ie: not the Concorde, it will fly at roughly 500-580 mph TRUE AIRSPEED at Cruising Altitude..
This same typical airplane has an indicated 'red line' or maximum indicated airspeed at sea level somewhere around 350 to 390mph.
But the plane could not achieve this at 1' or 5' of altitude, there is a 'ground effect' which makes the air denser, and act a bit like water, creating a wave in front of a fast moving object.. it is a fact and an effect every pilot experiences when landing, It would be virtually impossible to fly level to the ground, in 'clean' or cruise configuration at only a few feet above the surface.
Greg L



Greg you would know better than anyone the flight characteristics of an airliner. But would it not be possible to travel 500+mph from a dive say from 5000' or better Wide Open throttle. I would think it would take a while to bleed of that energy even at ground level. I am very skeptical of our govt, but honestly I don't think they are capable of orchestrating something of this magnitude and having it remain a secret all these years. Turning a blind eye yes, actually carrying it out no. But I have been wrong before.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:48 pm

Who said it had to be the US? Although Chaney did take control from NORAD just before 911 and then gave it back just after, makes one go Hum.. and the fact they were running war games chasing hijacked aircraft that morning, the fact they knew at one point they did have hijacked aircraft one for over an hour and they did nothing. The list go's on.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:14 pm

grumpy wrote:Who said it had to be the US?



Good Point!
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