Flight 93 Responders

Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:00 pm

Rich, what makes you think it was faked?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:21 pm

It seems to me that Greg is indicating that he could not duplicate the flight into the pentagon with an airliner and he is an airliner pilot. what makes anyone think Babbu with a few simulator lessons and a GPS could pull it off.

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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:28 pm

KLook wrote:It seems to me that Greg is indicating that he could not duplicate the flight into the pentagon with an airliner and he is an airliner pilot. what makes anyone think Babbu with a few simulator lessons and a GPS could pull it off.

Kevin


Right, and he is not the only one. It did not happen, if it did all the Gov has to do is release the videos from around the Pentagon as well as the Pentagon cameras and this would all be put to rest. But they won't and for good reason, it did not happen.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:34 pm

The only other reason I can think of to withhold the information is to create the conspiracy movement and saying that in itself is being a conspiracy nut. Look at what Obama is doing to create class warfare and piss off all the people. It is the Cloward & Piven method to create the unrest necessary to transition into the takeover because the people have become the legitimate enemy. Hell, he is even pissing of the blacks.


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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:43 pm

Interesting thought..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:25 pm

samhill wrote:As I said to begin with Richard, there was nothing fake about Flight 93 it went down in a recently backfilled strip mine the bodies were real, my wife spent two weeks there trying to match body parts. The crash site proper is still off limits to this day you can look from a distance but stuff still gets washed off & gets discovered.


Why would it be off limits? What other crash site is of limits?

When things like this are glaringly different than other similar situations, wouldn't a reasonable person ask why?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:05 pm

KLook wrote:It seems to me that Greg is indicating that he could not duplicate the flight into the pentagon with an airliner and he is an airliner pilot. what makes anyone think Babbu with a few simulator lessons and a GPS could pull it off.

Kevin



Maybe luck? Driven by pure determination? I don't know if it is possible but it sure looks like it happened. What else could have done it? I just have a hard time believing it was anything else. Still not sure of if any of it could have been prevented. All possibilities need to be explored.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:09 pm

Did you bother to watch the two videos I posted above? If you do/did you should have questions..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:57 pm

grumpy wrote:Did you bother to watch the two videos I posted above? If you do/did you should have questions..



I did now. Just not convinced this could be kept quiet if true. Too many people involved for it not to leak out. Not sure. Either way I don't feel the govt does anything for us anymore. We have lost a long time ago.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:01 am

Thanks for watching, I will reply with this, The Manhattan Project... think about it for a moment..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:14 am

grumpy wrote:Rich, what makes you think it was faked?


LOL, what makes you think that? I'm trying to make a point about flight 93. If we were to assume this is all some kind of conspiracy what is the purpose of faking the crash and why in the middle of no where? If it were a conspiracy does it make sense to try and fake a crash where there is potentially hundreds or thousands of things that can expose your fake or would just avoid all that and fly a real plane into the ground?

You can apply the same logic to any of these planes, why try and fake it when you can use the real thing?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:57 am

It's still off limits as far as walking around the actual crash site (cyclone fence) when they mow & such things are still being found, guess it's to keep souvenir hunters & those with metal detectors from trashing the site. I think most Memorial sites are the same in many ways.
Still waiting for someone to explain all the people that simply vanished off the face of the earth if any of these crashes were faked.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:10 am

My question is why would it be faked? Did we really need this to go to war?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:22 pm

Flyer5 wrote:My question is why would it be faked? Did we really need this to go to war?


It certainly created the right atmosphere among the plebes didn't it?


Dick Cheney certainly thought we needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to advance the agenda set forth in the "Project for a New American Century" and as luck would have it, he was handed one shortly after he gained the power to do something about it.

Shocking coincidence don't you think?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:09 pm

Ok, lets see. An engine for an airliner has several shafts, titanium, and huge titanium fan-wheels, steel gears, pumps, starters generators etc, etc.. these are virtually indestructable.

The central mass of an airliner fuselage is aluminum.. and not concentrated it is 200 feet long, by far the greatest weight is the wing spar and fuel lines and wiring.. all of these items are very fragile when smashed into a solid like a concrete wall..
The engines and landing gear are NOT fragile. they are hardened steel and titanium. they will survive where aluminum will just melt or crumple.

Think of a bullet, lets say a 180grain 30 caliber copper jacketed bullet.. it's mass is concentrated in a single lump.. it is capable of pennetrating a lot of steel plate, a tree, etc. Take the same 180 grains of copper, make a 5"x5" sheet out of it, [roll it thin] and to the same with the lead core of the bullet.. put these thin, fragile sheets of metal that are very lethal at 3100fps when fired from a rifle, and try to do damage with the thin sheets to anything, even if you could enclose them in a vessel and move the sheets at 3100fps, they would not do much if any damage when hitting a similar target.. the mass is too spread out..

An airplane has it's 'red-line' airspeed because various parts of the plane do have supersonic airflow around them when the redline is exceeded. if the plane is pushed past the redline, parts of the airplane experience supersonic flight, airflow and the resulting stresses, even at say 425 mph indicated at sea level, parts would be damages or go 'missing' from the plane.. This is why developing supersonic flight was such a job after WWII, and one of the big problems with WWII planes,, they could reach Mach 1 or near it in a powered dive, but the airframe would come apart..

The Japanese planes could not reach Mach 1 when diving as a Kamakasi.. they were drag-limited and didn't have enough power either. But the US P51 could, as well as the P38 lightning.. read up on it.. there was a HUGE effort after WWII to test and develope an airframe that could be flown and controlled above mach 1..

More later.

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