Flight 93 Responders

Flight 93 Responders

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:27 pm

For those of you that think the whole thing was some kind of Gov. plot or cover-up & never really happened I came across this. http://www.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/2 ... 1309080143 Now I'm trying to get my wife to go this Wed. but so far no luck, I know how she feels I couldn't bring myself to even go see the traveling VN Memorial wall until several years ago when it was at Edinboro College a few years back but it was time & she was there for me. If she decides this is her time I'll be there for her, it just may help her get past it.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:46 pm

Oh it happened, but what does this have to do with a cover up..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:08 pm

It's been quite awhile Grumpy but there were those that made the statement that the whole thing was all some type of conspiracy & nobody died & in fact (if I recall correctly) there was no actual proof of both the Flight 93 crash & no plane ever hit the Pentagon. I guess all those people got paid off & are living new lives of luxury on an island somewhere. Meant nothing of it now in retrospect, it's just a pet peeve of mine since my wife spent so much time there. :oops:
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:19 pm

When I get a reasonable explanation as to why Flight 93 didn't appear as every other plane vs. earth accident and how a plane punches a perfectly round hole through 7 layers of granite and reinforced concrete, THEN I'll buy the "official story".

Until then, put me firmly in the "Suspicious" category.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:22 pm

People died, I know a lot about 911, studied it for years, however flight 93 is my weak area. But from what I know the evidence points to it being shot down. I cannot comment on that myself.

As far as the Pentagon , there is not one shred of evidence to support a 757 crash, there is however a ton to suggest it did not. Furthermore the official story is ridicules, if for the only reason what they claimed happened could not in real life. One example would be the plane flying at 500 mph three feet off the ground.

Anyway I'm not going to turn this thread into the 911 thread, we already have one.. I will post this thou as it launched this month.

http://rethink911.org/
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:27 pm

I suppose no one landed on the moon either :lol: quit it.....
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:27 pm

jpete wrote:When I get a reasonable explanation as to why Flight 93 didn't appear as every other plane vs. earth accident and how a plane punches a perfectly round hole through 7 layers of granite and reinforced concrete, THEN I'll buy the "official story".

Until then, put me firmly in the "Suspicious" category.



Jeff, I can see you did not drink the cool-aid today, now go get some and turn on the mind control machine, it's in HD these days you know , you will feel better... :P
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:57 pm

What, does a plane automatically slow down the lower it gets? :? Maybe the airbrakes weren't applied. :lol:
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:05 pm

samhill wrote:What, does a plane automatically slow down the lower it gets? :? Maybe the airbrakes weren't applied. :lol:


No not automatically, just the way it is, speed is altitude, want to go up go faster, want to go down , go slower. Furthermore a plane cannot fly at full speed at sea level because the air is too thick, nor can it fly at higher speeds at ground level because of ground effects. If it were tried it would just lift off. Most jets take off at 165mph, trying to go faster and stay down just wont happen.

ETA, air breaks do not slow down the plane, they allow it to descend and maintain speed, to a degree that is.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:22 pm

Ohhh K.
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:29 pm

grumpy wrote:No not automatically, just the way it is, speed is altitude, want to go up go faster, want to go down , go slower. Furthermore a plane cannot fly at full speed at sea level because the air is too thick, nor can it fly at higher speeds at ground level because of ground effects. If it were tried it would just lift off. Most jets take off at 165mph, trying to go faster and stay down just wont happen.


That's not really accurate.. There is a moving surface on the tail of the plane (horizontal stabilizer) called the elevator. It directs the plane up or down. Just as there is a moving surface on the horizontal stabilizer called a rudder. It directs the plane left or right. There are moving surfaces on the wings that move up on one side and down on the other they are called ailerons. They change the pitch of the plane..

Speed of the plane is needed to create lift with the wings. Air density does have an effect on speed but speed doesn't have a bearing on making the plane go up or down, that's the job of the horizontal stabilizer..

An airliner also has another moving surface on the wings called flaps. They mechanically extend on the trailing edge of the wing to increase the wing's surface area so it CAN take off and land at slow speeds such as 130 MPH. The flaps retract once its airborn so it can reach it's cruising speeds around 500 MPH. Otherwise it would need to reach over 200 mph to get off the ground

After re reading your post it would be accurate to say if you want to go faster, you need to go higher. If you want to go slower, you need to go lower.. Closer to the ground the air density is higher and more lift can be generated at slower speeds.. This works the other way too. IF a jet could stay in the air at 200 MPH with out stalling (no flaps) at 500 feet, It would need to maintain a higher speed at a higher altitude to maintain lift without stalling.. (stalling is when the wing can't produce enough lift to stay airborn and it simply falls out of the sky.) :D

Point an airplane at the ground and it will absolutely exceed its cruising speed of 500 mph no matter what altitude its at..

Sorry didn't mean for that to get so lengthy hahaha..
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:34 pm

Are you a pilot?
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:38 pm

grumpy wrote:Are you a pilot?


I've done some flying with my uncle in his Cessna lol.. I flew it occasionally. I also built radio control planes and flew them when I was younger. I've been exposed to aviation most of my life. My grandpa was a test pilot in World War II.. But no.. I'm not a pilot but I do know a lot about planes.. :)
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:41 pm

Plus don't forget Lee. You did spend at least one night in your life at a Holiday Inn--- :clap: toothy sorry guys, couldn't help myself :out: :flush:
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Re: Flight 93

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:46 pm

grumpy wrote:One example would be the plane flying at 500 mph three feet off the ground.


My point being, it could definitely hit the ground at 500 Mph if it were pointed down from 1000 feet..

freetown fred wrote:Plus don't forget Lee. You did spend at least one night in your life at a Holiday Inn--- :clap: toothy sorry guys, couldn't help myself :out: :flush:


Thanks Fred!! :lol:
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