New Old Crane 404 Stove

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:54 am

ASHDUMP wrote:I'll pick up a couple bags of coal... But I haven't the clue as to where to buy them! I have a couple cords of wood right now all stacked and seasoned so I think I'll try to burn most of that. I will definitely also try coal though!


Here is a good solution for you..........Sell the wood and buy a ton or two of coal. :D

You can get a quick bag or two at Agway or try Riverside or Boston Coal... They deliver as well. It would truely be a sin to burn wood in this stove other than for using some wood to light the coal when it comes time. Seriously once you understand coal you will wonder WHY it took you so long to use it. Think about this.. With your wood stove can you really get a true 12 to 14 hour burn with decent BTU's being pumped out into the house? NO. With coal you can and will. That means you can SLEEP in style and comfort knowing you don't need to feed the stove every 2-3 hours to maintain the desired temp in the house. And that is wonderful thing!!!!! :lol:
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: nortcan On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:23 am

Hi guys,
Doug, the Crane's grates look like these found in the Vigll I got a few years ago. Are they the same? If so, who made them first: Crane or V.C.?
nortcan
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Stuart,Peterson/ Grander
Stove/Furnace Model: Sunnyside/ Golden Bride

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:40 pm

Boy that was fast shipping! Just received the shaker arm Doug. By looking at it I'm not sure how it goes on but doesn't seem to difficult!
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:41 pm

ONEDOLLAR wrote:
ASHDUMP wrote:I'll pick up a couple bags of coal... But I haven't the clue as to where to buy them! I have a couple cords of wood right now all stacked and seasoned so I think I'll try to burn most of that. I will definitely also try coal though!


Here is a good solution for you..........Sell the wood and buy a ton or two of coal. :D

You can get a quick bag or two at Agway or try Riverside or Boston Coal... They deliver as well. It would truely be a sin to burn wood in this stove other than for using some wood to light the coal when it comes time. Seriously once you understand coal you will wonder WHY it took you so long to use it. Think about this.. With your wood stove can you really get a true 12 to 14 hour burn with decent BTU's being pumped out into the house? NO. With coal you can and will. That means you can SLEEP in style and comfort knowing you don't need to feed the stove every 2-3 hours to maintain the desired temp in the house. And that is wonderful thing!!!!! :lol:

HA! I know what you mean... My opinion is being swaayed for coal! Hmmm I wonder why that is!

I'll look into the locations you mentioned. Thanks for the heads up!
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:18 pm

I have a general question that could possibly go in another thread however I will keep this one going.

Is there anything I should be concerned with having a wood/coal stove in the basement? I have a forced hot water boiler down there that will be about 25' away along with a water heater. Both the water heater and boiler are vented in the same flue. The new stove would be vented thru a hole next to the fireplace clean out boxes in the basement. The old owner had a stove of some kind down there as I can see where it had been sitting for years so I'm sure everything will work out fine.

All of the first floor floor-joists are exposed and not insulated. The old owner did put up a full size piece of gypsum board above where the stove was to probably help protect and/or deflect some of the heat. I would think probably for protection. The ceiling height down there is probably 6'-2. Its an old field stone foundation so I presume I'll loose a lot of heat thru the walls...

Hmmm.....
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:45 pm

nortcan wrote:Hi guys,
Doug, the Crane's grates look like these found in the Vigll I got a few years ago. Are they the same? If so, who made them first: Crane or V.C.?


Don't you get me going MR. you know that a touchy subject with me :mad: (ill re-iterate again... VC has ZERO morals, ZERO belief or desire to help America or its work force or its economy, ZERO integrity, ZERO customer support, ZERO ambition to be and do whats "right")... NO good American would buy any product VC makes if they knew what I know... now can you tell who made that grate system first ;)
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:47 pm

ASHDUMP wrote:Boy that was fast shipping! Just received the shaker arm Doug. By looking at it I'm not sure how it goes on but doesn't seem to difficult!


I give good service ;)
the shaker handle I gave you is dual sided so if one side ever wears out simply flip it around for another 10 years of service :D
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:47 pm

Doug, the shaker arm is working like a charm.... it is very smooth as shown in this short video clip...

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ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:56 pm

ASHDUMP wrote:I have a general question that could possibly go in another thread however I will keep this one going.

Is there anything I should be concerned with having a wood/coal stove in the basement? I have a forced hot water boiler down there that will be about 25' away along with a water heater. Both the water heater and boiler are vented in the same flue. The new stove would be vented thru a hole next to the fireplace clean out boxes in the basement. The old owner had a stove of some kind down there as I can see where it had been sitting for years so I'm sure everything will work out fine.

All of the first floor floor-joists are exposed and not insulated. The old owner did put up a full size piece of gypsum board above where the stove was to probably help protect and/or deflect some of the heat. I would think probably for protection. The ceiling height down there is probably 6'-2. Its an old field stone foundation so I presume I'll loose a lot of heat thru the walls...

Hmmm.....


You should not use the same flu for your coal/wood stove (its actually not legal to do that now), maybe I misunderstood and you have a 2 flu chimney and the stove would then have its own flu (which is fine). The ceiling height of 6.2 is fine (you would not even need that deflector over the stove if you did not want it). the fact the basement ceiling is un-insulated is better so heat can rise. (many folks here have a lot of experience and 100's of threads discussing of how to best set up in the basement and get heat up), you can use the search feature of the forum in the upper right to type in things like "stove in basement" or "how to get heat upstairs from basement", etc. and you can of course post any specific threads you need to ask for help (this forum is "THE" premier coal forum in the world and the folks her have a lot of incredible knowledge).
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:10 am

dcrane wrote:
ASHDUMP wrote:I have a general question that could possibly go in another thread however I will keep this one going.

Is there anything I should be concerned with having a wood/coal stove in the basement? I have a forced hot water boiler down there that will be about 25' away along with a water heater. Both the water heater and boiler are vented in the same flue. The new stove would be vented thru a hole next to the fireplace clean out boxes in the basement. The old owner had a stove of some kind down there as I can see where it had been sitting for years so I'm sure everything will work out fine.

All of the first floor floor-joists are exposed and not insulated. The old owner did put up a full size piece of gypsum board above where the stove was to probably help protect and/or deflect some of the heat. I would think probably for protection. The ceiling height down there is probably 6'-2. Its an old field stone foundation so I presume I'll loose a lot of heat thru the walls...

Hmmm.....


You should not use the same flu for your coal/wood stove (its actually not legal to do that now), maybe I misunderstood and you have a 2 flu chimney and the stove would then have its own flu (which is fine). The ceiling height of 6.2 is fine (you would not even need that deflector over the stove if you did not want it). the fact the basement ceiling is un-insulated is better so heat can rise. (many folks here have a lot of experience and 100's of threads discussing of how to best set up in the basement and get heat up), you can use the search feature of the forum in the upper right to type in things like "stove in basement" or "how to get heat upstairs from basement", etc. and you can of course post any specific threads you need to ask for help (this forum is "THE" premier coal forum in the world and the folks her have a lot of incredible knowledge).

I have a two flu'd chimney - one for the stove in the basement and one for the fire place up above with two cleanouts in the basement for each one. I will certainly do a search for how to best move the air around the basement and up to the first floor. I'm not trying to heat my entire house with one stove - it would be near impossible with my set up but my goal is to help the boiler out a bit and keep the floors warm on the first floor. Depending on how much heat it can throw, I might consider and inline duct fan at the coolest point of the first floor connected to a thermostat. When the temp gets warm down in the basement it would kick on and hopefully push heat up thru the floor.
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: nortcan On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:28 am

dcrane wrote:
nortcan wrote:Hi guys,
Doug, the Crane's grates look like these found in the Vigll I got a few years ago. Are they the same? If so, who made them first: Crane or V.C.?


Don't you get me going MR. you know that a touchy subject with me :mad: (ill re-iterate again... VC has ZERO morals, ZERO belief or desire to help America or its work force or its economy, ZERO integrity, ZERO customer support, ZERO ambition to be and do whats "right")... NO good American would buy any product VC makes if they knew what I know... now can you tell who made that grate system first ;)


Sorry for the ""irritation"" MR. :) :D :lol:
nortcan
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Stuart,Peterson/ Grander
Stove/Furnace Model: Sunnyside/ Golden Bride

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:38 am

I'm not as experienced as the other members, but I'll give my experience. Last week we had a cold night. 40 degrees. So I lit the stove. More to just play. Kept the whole house at 72 degrees all night. I also have a 130 year old house with fieldstone foundation, original windows and no insulation. My stove is in my basement. Basement never got above 90 degrees. All I did was leave the cellar door open. Ran stove between 400 and 500 degrees. I will say coal is definitely not a day at a time heat source. When stove burn't out had some clinkers and some unburnt coal, but its a new toy and I wanted to play. Probably won't light it again till the cold temperatures stay constant. Price of experiment $6.00. From what i've read stove in basement is 50/50 shot of heating whole house. Matt
DePippo79
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40
Coal Size/Type: Stove, nut/anthracite

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: nortcan On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:55 pm

DePippo79 wrote:I'm not as experienced as the other members, but I'll give my experience. Last week we had a cold night. 40 degrees. So I lit the stove. More to just play. Kept the whole house at 72 degrees all night. I also have a 130 year old house with fieldstone foundation, original windows and no insulation. My stove is in my basement. Basement never got above 90 degrees. All I did was leave the cellar door open. Ran stove between 400 and 500 degrees. I will say coal is definitely not a day at a time heat source. When stove burn't out had some clinkers and some unburnt coal, but its a new toy and I wanted to play. Probably won't light it again till the cold temperatures stay constant. Price of experiment $6.00. From what i've read stove in basement is 50/50 shot of heating whole house. Matt


Just like I often said here, the stove is important, the kind of fuel you choose is important... but insulation is probably much more important than all that...
Having a poor/bad insulation is just sending that costly fuel/heat and confort outside of the place you try to heat to be confortable. Not a problem for me: more heat outside of my friends at the South means warmer temp. for us at the North :lol:
I know that it's not easy to improve an old house insulation but it should be done one of these days. Can be done in sections: Ex: attic first year...stop window's air infiltrations with weaterstrips ... Some States have insulation programs for improving house insulation that can help...
nortcan
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Stuart,Peterson/ Grander
Stove/Furnace Model: Sunnyside/ Golden Bride

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:17 pm

I know I should insulate the house, but have other projects to do first. The windows I would like restore one day, but I do have storm windows. The leaks come from around the frames not the actual glass. The storms act like a double pane. I'm not putting vynl windows in a victorian house. The house is pretty much still the same as when built with the exception of the kitchen and upstairs bathroom. I'm not like one of those shows you see on diy channels that take a old house and pretty much destroy all the character of it. Wife and I wanted a old house and were prepared for all the things that go with owning a old house. Even when restoring a car I like things original. Wish I was born 100 years sooner. Ok way off topic, I'll get off my soapbox now.
DePippo79
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40
Coal Size/Type: Stove, nut/anthracite

Re: New Old Crane 404 Stove

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:33 pm

DePippo79 wrote: Even when restoring a car I like things original. Wish I was born 100 years sooner. Ok way off topic, I'll get off my soapbox now.

I like your soapbox and you do carry around with you bits and pieces of your family who were born a lot more than 100 years ago. They are still alive in part and share your life. What you feel, they felt too. Nostalgia is another one of those things in our makeup that needs further study and explanation.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea