Low water pressure.....

Low water pressure.....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:58 pm

THIS HOUSE MAKES ME WANT TO TAKE A DAMNED MATCH TO IT!!!

Every friggin' month it's something with the water in this damned dump. I've been BATTLING and I mean BATTLING low water pressure for the past month. Just now my three year old was getting ready for a bath and she's sitting in the tub as it's filling with water and starts screaming and I mean SCREAMING I thought something had happened to her. I run into the bathroom and the water coming out of the spout in the tub is a light brown. My guess is the reason I've got no water pressure is that my 25 pound holding tank has gone bad. Last summer I found it with 0 psi on the bladder. I'm thinking it's finally gone. If that's the case there goes the damned coal budget this week.

Could a bad tank cause this or it there something more expensive here? Lines clogged? Well gone bad? If that's the case I might as well pack my *censored* up pour gas on the floor and toss a match to it. I don't have the $$$$$ to have a new well drilled or have the one we've got drilled deeper. Have I told anyone lately I *censored* hate this house?

Oh yeah, forgot to mention I'm getting air in the lines too.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:05 pm

I just recently replaced my pressure tank. The bladder was ruptured and wouldn't hold any air. I never saw brown water though. I'm gonna guess and say yeah, yer tank is to blame. Sediment could have gotten stirred up in the pressure tank when the bladder failed. I'd start with replacing that, needs replaced anyway right? Then go from there. :D
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:10 pm

Lightning wrote:I just recently replaced my pressure tank. The bladder was ruptured and wouldn't hold any air. I never saw brown water though. I'm gonna guess and say yeah, yer tank is to blame. Sediment could have gotten stirred up in the pressure tank when the bladder failed. I'd start with replacing that, needs replaced anyway right? Then go from there. :D


That's what I'm hoping. But I'm always wrong. Luckily I'll be working near my house tomorrow so I'll swing Lowe's or something and buy a new tank. But I'm seriously annoyed that I'm not going to be able to get my third ton of coal this weekend.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: warminmn On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:53 pm

Have you added air to the tank? do you know the proper way of doing that? The old tanks dont have bladders at all and work. I would try that first before buying a new tank.

I did have the line that goes from my well house to my home plug up when I first lived here. it just slowly kept getting worse and worse. I'm not saying what I did was all proper, but I filled the air compressor with air and ran it thru my line in my house (the in line from the well house). Towards the pressure tank that is. It worked! Cleaned it right out and Ive never had a problem since. If you do anything like i said, be careful as all that air pressure makes the line really hard to hold and could hit you in the face. Like I said, might not be the proper way but it worked for me. I have a lot of sediment in my water is how it plugged.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:52 pm

Yeah, I've got a lot of sediment as well. The well tank is 20 years old. I'm assuming these things don't last forever. I always assumed they all had bladders or diaphragms. Is that not the case? As for knowing how to add air; yes, I do. I did it last year. I'll check it this weekend I guess. I'll probably pull the line and check that too.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: grumpy On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:00 pm

Low water pressure is not the result of a bad tank, even with a bad tank you well should run and you should have pressure, if your pump is cycling on and off every time you use water it would be a bad tank, but if you have low pressure all the time look elsewhere.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 pm

Find your limit switch.
It should be very close to the well tank. Chances are...the little pipe that it is on is plugged with sediment. When this happens the relay doesn't see the actual line pressure. Just what residual pressure the sediment creates.

If the line pressure doesn't drop due to the clog the well pump doesn't know to turn on. Clean the stand pipe out so it is reading actual pressures and I bet it fixes your issue.

The tank is just there as a shock absorber and to reduce minor cycles of the pump.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: warminmn On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:51 pm

If your power went out since you added air, or if the power was shut off to the well, your pressure tank will fill with water after power is restored if you used your water while power was out. your pump will then keep cycling, like what has been said. Thats because your air gets used up because it cant replenish itself. it will happen with use also, only much slower. Pressure tanks used to be bladder less. I hope that explains it a little bit better. Or maybe I confused you.

Follow the others advise as it is good
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: grumpy On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:52 pm

Wanna Bee wrote:Find your limit switch.
It should be very close to the well tank. Chances are...the little pipe that it is on is plugged with sediment. When this happens the relay doesn't see the actual line pressure. Just what residual pressure the sediment creates.

If the line pressure doesn't drop due to the clog the well pump doesn't know to turn on. Clean the stand pipe out so it is reading actual pressures and I bet it fixes your issue.

The tank is just there as a shock absorber and to reduce minor cycles of the pump.


Thats a good idea, this could very well be your problem, you can get a new switch at home depot for 20 bucks, good luck.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:21 pm

grumpy wrote:
Wanna Bee wrote:Find your limit switch.
It should be very close to the well tank. Chances are...the little pipe that it is on is plugged with sediment. When this happens the relay doesn't see the actual line pressure. Just what residual pressure the sediment creates.

If the line pressure doesn't drop due to the clog the well pump doesn't know to turn on. Clean the stand pipe out so it is reading actual pressures and I bet it fixes your issue.

The tank is just there as a shock absorber and to reduce minor cycles of the pump.


Thats a good idea, this could very well be your problem, you can get a new switch at home depot for 20 bucks, good luck.


The switch usually makes it. In other words, need not be replaced. It just doesn't get a clear reading from the system. The little pipe it screws onto can usually be reused as well. They just need to be cleaned out witch is sometimes easier said than done :D
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:03 am

I've also had a problem with sediment in the line leading to the pressure switch. That very well could be the culprit of the low pressure.

The other symptoms are most likely the tank. I got one from home depot for around $150. It's the vertical standing tank about 19 gallons if I recall right.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:25 am

I'm so frustrated with the water in this house. Every few months something has to be replaced or repaired with it. Do you know how many times I've replaced that damn water pressure switch? More times than I'd care to remember.

I didn't even think about the sensing line. I'll pull it apart this weekend and flush it out. Since I'll have it down anyway I'll also check the tank's air pressure too. Thanks for the help and suggestions. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:11 am

IOF--in this area, even with all the rain/flooding--the water table is REAL low--yes, every now & again people are getting some color in the water from surface flooding water---have you spoken w/ any neighbors about any similar problems?
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:05 am

You may or may not know this, might be of help to others also. Here's how I test air pressure in the tank bladder. Given that bladder tanks I've delt with come pre charged around 28 pounds psi.

First cut the power to the well pump. Then open a faucet. When the water stops running, measure the air pressure on the bladder with a tire gauge. It should be 28 pounds with NO water pressure. If not, pump it up. If it won't hold air pressure you know the bladder is shot.

If it does hold air pressure, close the faucet that was left open and restore power to the pump to fill the tank. When the pump shuts off, measure the air pressure again. It should now be whatever yer high limit is set at. I have mine set at about 55 pounds.
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Re: Low water pressure.....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:23 am

Lightning wrote:You may or may not know this, might be of help to others also. Here's how I test air pressure in the tank bladder. Given that bladder tanks I've delt with come pre charged around 28 pounds psi.

First cut the power to the well pump. Then open a faucet. When the water stops running, measure the air pressure on the bladder with a tire gauge. It should be 28 pounds with NO water pressure. If not, pump it up. If it won't hold air pressure you know the bladder is shot.

If it does hold air pressure, close the faucet that was left open and restore power to the pump to fill the tank. When the pump shuts off, measure the air pressure again. It should now be whatever yer high limit is set at. I have mine set at about 55 pounds.


Thanks. That's a lot easier than what I normally do. Which is shut power off. Drain the entire system, check pressure, refill pressure, refill system, check pressure.

Fred, no I have not asked any of my neighbors about having the same problem. I should ask around though.
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