Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:28 am

In a world where hybrid and 100% electric vehicles are a reality, how is the state to make money? The answer is quite easy. Install GPS chips, monitor every vehicles whereabouts every second of every day (a task that is likely far less demanding that that of the NSA and its monitoring of all emails and phone conversations), and send a bill for annual miles traveled. But in the mean time:

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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:36 pm

My work truck already has GPS.

The guy I work for leases all his trucks so who gets the bill?

I'd expect the company owner, but he doesn't "own" the trucks. I'm the one doing the driving though. :)
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:41 pm

The best part is that the state knows where you are at all times. Can you imagine how safe the world could become if the whereabouts of everyone was fully known at all times. :sick: :mad:
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:48 pm

Larry I think a formula based on the weight of the vehicle and miles driven is inevitable. This basically how it works now because larger vehicles which do more damage to the road typically use more fuel and pay more tax per mile.

The GPS on the other hand is another story, that can't be allowed. The mileage needs to be recorded yearly preferably during inspection, offer a monthly bill kind of like the utilities that offer budget plans with the difference made up when the inspection is due. Don't pay the difference and no inspection sticker, same thing when the vehicle is sold including to scrap dealers.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:10 pm

Richard, I can understand your train of thought but I can think of some problems & unfairness. I know many of my Ohio neighbors that don't need inspections & have a collection of even previous generations of vehicles in their yards. Then there are areas like mine with nothing close by, many non-paved roads & no public transportation, I think it would be unfair for those of us in rural areas that don't have the convinces of others, it's true that I choose to live here but most haven't, they were born & raised here. Naturally there are many unfair fees & taxes but there has to be an end to it somewhere, I wish the school tax was paid by people that have school aged kids instead of property owners, that's the one that hurts me the most.
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:05 am

Pretty sure they only have themselves to blame for the lost revenue.

"We must save da planut eberfing must be green! Wee needz moar milz in all da cars! Make dem 900 milz to da gallonzz!"

*censored* idiots.
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:35 am

samhill wrote: I know many of my Ohio neighbors that don't need inspections & have a collection of even previous generations of vehicles in their yards.


Well Sam they will have to implement something to collect the mileage.


Then there are areas like mine with nothing close by, many non-paved roads & no public transportation


You don't have 10K cars traveling across the same road all day, I don;t see it as unfair if the road gets little use. Public transportation should pay for itself.


I wish the school tax was paid by people that have school aged kids instead of property owners,


I'm actually surprised you would say that, I think it's important as nation we educate our children. Everyone benefits, as the saying goes if you think education is expensive try ignorance. We certainly need to look at how we are spending that money though. I know they have proposal on the table here to get rid of property taxes and pay for it with an increased sales tax. That sounds great at first glance but consider the consequences which is increased property values. That's great if you already own property but not so great for your kids or grandchildren.
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:43 am

I'm On Fire wrote:Pretty sure they only have themselves to blame for the lost revenue.

"We must save da planut eberfing must be green! Wee needz moar milz in all da cars! Make dem 900 milz to da gallonzz!"

*censored* idiots.


They are pushing it along but the demise of the gasoline powered vehicle is inevitable. The future is electric, CNG and diesel.
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: gaw On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:25 am

Trucks have been reporting mileage to the states for years. Mileage and fuel purchased are reported. If you buy enough fuel you owe nothing, if you don’t you owe tax. If you bought more than enough fuel then you may get a refund, credit or just loose it; that depends on the state. Toll road miles are usually exempt. Pay for what you use sounds like the fairest thing to do but on the other hand everyone benefits from having good roads. Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target, and many more benefit greatly from the public roads but do not drive on them. (Delivery trucks I know, but that’s beside the point) Maybe put a mileage tax on electrics and hybrids, but like I said it is not just the drivers that benefit from the public roads.

I actually like Sam’s thought. I have no known biological children but I own property so I am paying to educate everyone else’s kids. Do you see welfare mom? Let me give you a hint, she is the one with the overflowing shopping cart, the big bee itch that take a half hour to check out. I already pay to feed her kids. I pay for her housing, that’s right and she don’t pay property tax because she don’t own any. I also pay to “educate” her brood as well. It should be you get one free kid on my dime and then mandatory sterilization and I have no problem picking up the tab for that. (because I will tax Sam and use his money to pay for it) :P
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:37 am

gaw wrote: but like I said it is not just the drivers that benefit from the public roads.


Those costs get passed onto the consumer.


Do you see welfare mom?


Less education is just more welfare mom's. You had your education paid for Gaw? Your parents? Your Grandparents? I'm not defending the current state of public education but as nation we need to educate children. It's one social program I can agree with. We have enough uneducated idiots in this country, we don't need more.
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PostBy: plumb-r On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:54 am

This would fit in with exactly what the gov. wants to do , force people out of rural areas. Push (herd) them in to the city's, where mass transportation and cameras abound. Can't afford to live in the burbs because of mileage tax, move to the city we'll take care of you. It's all part of UN Agenda 21. It's easier to control the people when they are in one spot, and dependent on government for transportation. :no1:
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: Rigar On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:01 am

WOW...I am alittle confused now ...I was under the impression that based on what I read and watch on the news is that the rising price of gas at the pumps was due to INCREASING DEMAND....have they been blowin' smoke??????
;) :?:
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:03 am

Rigar wrote:WOW...I am alittle confused now ...I was under the impression that based on what I read and watch on the news is that the rising price of gas at the pumps was due to INCREASING DEMAND....have they been blowin' smoke??????
;) :?:


Lots of theory's. I find it hard to believe supply/demand is ruling when the largest amount of domestic fuels are being produced in record rates.
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PostBy: Rigar On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:13 am

anthony7812 wrote:
Rigar wrote:WOW...I am alittle confused now ...I was under the impression that based on what I read and watch on the news is that the rising price of gas at the pumps was due to INCREASING DEMAND....have they been blowin' smoke??????
;) :?:


Lots of theory's. I find it hard to believe supply/demand is ruling when the largest amount of domestic fuels are being produced in record rates.



....i was tryin' to be funny ! Demand for gas has little to do with what is charged at the pump....the oil market is a con.
...just sayin
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Re: Tax by the mile is getting closer to reality

PostBy: gaw On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:28 am

Richard S. wrote:gaw wrote:
but like I said it is not just the drivers that benefit from the public roads.

Those costs get passed onto the consumer.

The point is that roads are very important to the country’s economy.

Richard S. wrote: You had your education paid for Gaw? Your parents? Your Grandparents?

Yes we all got our “free” education and we all pay or paid our taxes. Welfare mom got a free education too and it looks like she learned to have kids.

Richard S. wrote: We have enough uneducated idiots in this country, we don't need more.

Well at least they got what they paid for. :rofl:
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