Japan, the end??

Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:49 pm

Could this really be the end for them, this story gets worse everyday..

In a release, Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) said groundwater showed radiation readings of 3,200 becquerels per litre.

The contamination level compares with government limits of 100 becquerels per kilogramme in food and 10 becquerels per litre in drinking water.


http://news.yahoo.com/tepco-finds-high-radiation-fukushima-groundwater-071524186.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: Lightning On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Wow, kinda makes ya rethink the nuclear thing.....
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:54 pm

If they contaminate the water supply how are they going to live.. you have to have water, no.. And I can't believe they got the Olympics considering this is going on.


ETA This. HUM...

TEPCO Official: Fukushima is Out of Control

Statement contradicts assurances of Japanese PM, comes as fresh steam is spotted billowing from reactor.



https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/13-7
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:54 pm

Ya Think..

Japan Times: Talk of Olympics being taken away from Tokyo if problems at Fukushima worsen over next couple of years.

and on the same page..


AFP: Fears that Fukushima melted reactor cores have “eaten through” concrete of containment vessels — Tepco plan claims fuel to be removed at same time as 2020 Olympics in Tokyo
:shock: :shock: :shock:

http://enenews.com/japan-times-talk-of- ... e-of-years
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:43 pm

Lightning wrote:Wow, kinda makes ya rethink the nuclear thing.....

Sure wouldn't of had these problems with a nice easy to build and maintain, compared to nuclear, coal fired power plant. :roll:
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:49 pm

I have just read up on the latest and all I can say is OMG ! To say this is a disaster is an understatement of biblical proportions if all this is true. Some have said they will still be dealing with this in 100 years.

30 Months and it is worse then ever. There will be no games in 2020. there may not even be a Japan.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:53 pm

You live and learn and I certainly hope that other facilities around the world are taking notes. This was entirely avoidable and it's beyond me why a nuclear facility sitting next to the ocean would not have generators 100% hardened against a tsunami. You can't plan for everything but an event like this was certainly not outside the realm of possibilities. Even after the fact the US offered to have generators flown there immediately and the declined the offer, WTF is up with that?
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:56 pm

Japan pride, I will keep a close eye on this, steam coming from one of the reactors is not a good sign. Three melt downs, Three ! How ya gonna clean up that.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: DieselBob On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:06 pm

Pride can kill when not tempered with logic and reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-141_Kursk
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:15 pm

I'm sure there are many think tanks around the world working on this as it can affect us all, it's to a point where it's too far along for any known method to help. They & the world have one hell of a mess to try & deal with, we may never have to worry about anything else.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:28 pm

The entire world should be working on this, but TEPCO says no thanks we got it...
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

From what I've read, the pool with all of the spent fuel rods in it poses even more of a threat of unheard of proportions than the melted down cores (and they are bad enough). I would not be surprised to see nigh on the entire country being evacuated within 10 years. The only thing I can think of that is in their favor right now is that the average Japanese takes in 100 fold to perhaps 1,000 fold quantities of iodine vs. the average American on a daily basis. Iodine is a great protector against several of the nasty forms of radiation.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:05 pm

Richard S. wrote:You live and learn and I certainly hope that other facilities around the world are taking notes. This was entirely avoidable and it's beyond me why a nuclear facility sitting next to the ocean would not have generators 100% hardened against a tsunami. You can't plan for everything but an event like this was certainly not outside the realm of possibilities. Even after the fact the US offered to have generators flown there immediately and the declined the offer, WTF is up with that?


Likely "value engineered" out. Some bean counter ran the odds on a massive tsunami and decided the cost/benefit ratio didn't work out in their favor.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:56 pm

From what I've read, the pool with all of the spent fuel rods in it poses even more of a threat of unheard of proportions than the melted down cores (and they are bad enough).


Yep, and they start removal in November, manually without any screw up's or else, and just think they only have to do it 1300 times, perfectly.
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Re: Japan, the end??

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:04 am

A similar disaster here would cause far more cases of nasty cancer, since we don't consume much iodine here. The Japanese get it from various types of seaweed. Their popular 'Miso Soup' (for example) is loaded with iodine.
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