How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:40 pm

J F Graham wrote:windyhill4.2, yes that's an easy answer!!!! I've been tiling for many years. Just cut the firebrick to fit as tightly as possible then miter corners using wet saw to tighten up all voids ; and move on.
Jim

The corner bricks are not solid.
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Kennebago On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:50 pm

Just one minor detail ....that aint how it looks...... the corner bricks have large vertcal triangular holes...one per corner....and a horizontal cut out between the corner holes and the id of the fire brick chamber. The bricks stack on top of each other. Fill it with coal, gases go through the slots into the vertcal chanels ....one in each vertical corner......where it ignites. Nice blue flames come out of the tops of the holes. Tough to cut those holes with a tile saw.
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: J F Graham On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:53 pm

Sunny boy, if these stoves are a part of history, and apparently they are, then why wouldn't renting or borrowing a wet saw, to preserve their future , be in the best interest of current owners?? Especially when current items are at a premium. This is the best thing about this web site; Objectivity is everywhere.
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:09 pm

We aren't all blessed with the same gifts/talents/abilities/desires ,what is easy for one,seems impossible for another. Some like Isayre can boggle ones mind with his sophisticated tabulations ,recording coal usage to the oz. & calculating XYZ= $$ +~~ -* # % @ ? .123.7689, Sunnyboy & Photog 200 can both cook,LS Farm can store 60+ tons of coal , Lightning can use a hot tub in the cold outdoors & enjoy it, Stokerdon made a Yellow Flame look like its name,Scottscoaled has a coal burning VW in his basement,Whistlenut melts frost out of the ground,a few drive semis for a living (that is such an easy job) ;) the list could go on , we all have some unique things we have learned or are capable of.I've never tiled,have laid a few block & some stack stone (hated every minute of it) ,just some food for thought ... :) Some folks can read earlier posts & get a grip on the situation while others spit out their thoughts with no knowledge of what is really involved in fixing/repairing the problem.
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:11 am

When I last checked the corners could be had for about $70 each...
There are 16 of them, some have 12...
Do the math...
Make your own...
or buy a different stove...
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: coalturkey On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:23 am

Once again, I question the need for the corner flue holes when burning anthracite. I use 2 warm morning stoves very successfully and never worry about the corner flues. A nice very deep coal bed and a good long burn. With bit coal, it would be different. All you need is a liner. If the corners are crumbly on the flue/ coal side, so what?
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Kennebago On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:01 am

Duh....finally the light goes on in my brain. Coalturkey, the first time you made this point it went right past me . Now I get your point. (And probably what everyone else was getting at as well) and I agree. I used mine with anth and the flues work as intended BUT I believe I could have burned the anth without them. Geeez sometimes I can be thick. Missed the forest for all them damn trees. Sorry guys for being so dense. Thanks Coalturkey for waking me up
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:53 am

Yes...
The King 'O Coal is just a big round tube...
No Korner vents...
Crane Coal Cooker round no vents also...
Some of the big old stoves, big round firepots with...
No Vents...
Just run it...
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:15 pm

If they are worthless when gutted why not offer a bit more than he gets for scraping the remains and put in a firebox suitable for anthracite and set them free with the disclaimer anthracite only?
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:40 pm

J F Graham wrote:Sunny boy, if these stoves are a part of history, and apparently they are, then why wouldn't renting or borrowing a wet saw, to preserve their future , be in the best interest of current owners?? Especially when current items are at a premium. This is the best thing about this web site; Objectivity is everywhere.



FG.
Umm, . . . I think you misunderstood my post - or I'm misunderstanding yours. :(
I'm all for preserving these stoves by getting, or renting, a wet saw to make new corner bricks and get them back in action. And it doesn't have to be expensive to do that !

And if someone wants to burn bit-coal in them, and the corner bricks would then need vent holes, a masonry drill bit from the local hardware store can make holes in fire brick very quickly.

Paul
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: J F Graham On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:43 pm

Paul, I did misunderstand you, SORRY. What I was thinking, was that with a tile saw, you set the blade about 3/4 to 7/8" deep. Come in from end to where hole begins, then run the saw through several times SLOWLY to make a notch. But no more than 1-1/2 inch from end so abutting brick seals the notch. If this configuration would line up over the ports in stove this would a relatively cheap and easy fix. But the stove ports would have to be close to corners. Sorry for any confusion
Jim
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: J F Graham On: Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:44 pm

[quote="J F Graham"]Paul, I did misunderstand you, SORRY. What I was thinking, was that with a tile saw, you set the blade about 3/4 to 7/8" deep. Come in from end to where hole begins, then run the saw through several times SLOWLY to make a notch. But no more than 1-1/2 inch from end so abutting brick seals the notch. If this configuration would line up over the ports in stove this would be a relatively cheap and easy fix. But the stove ports would have to be close to corners. Sorry for any confusion
Jim
J F Graham
 
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