How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:12 pm

Recently ,I met a man that showed me his Warm Morning stove. It was in beautiful condition and well cared for.I asked him how the corner bricks were holding up. He explained that he has developed a program for that. He went on to say that he goes to any sale,auction etc where a Warm Morning is listed,buys it up,takes it home and guts the interior for the bricks.He claims he has has to do it because there is no source.Three nice ones have died so far, so that his favorite can live.Is there anyone among us that has any idea how to get or make replacements without having to reduce the surviving Warm Morning stove population? Any ideas? Thanks Mike
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Rigar On: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:44 pm

maybe he could cast his own in the future ?
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:19 pm

Know nothing about warm morning stoves, but why does he keep going through bricks? Weak point with this particular stove? Could another firebrick be made to work? Matt
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:00 pm

all bricks go to the great brickyard in the sky...
He may be selling them...
some go for close to $90...
I think some WM have up to 16 bricks...
You could make them...
the corner bricks are a complex shape...
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:21 pm

warm morning brick is pretty susceptible because they are relatively thin at the corners that allow air up and warm morning brick seems to be more like a ceramic than a refractory, I think it would be easier to make them in two parts and cement them in. casting firebrick is pretty easy but someone would need all the pieces required to make up some molds. I know Larry Trainers got a really nice one in his garage...It was not hooked up or anything so I highly doubt he needs it.
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PostBy: WJSlater On: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:24 am

A quick web search gave me this company who offered numerous fire brick for Warm Morning Stoves, although they are costly . Here is the address and phone number and a link to their web page.

A-1 Stoves Chimneys & Awnings
Grass Valley, CA 95945
Chico, California 95928
Chimney Sweeps Since 1988

http://a1stoves.com/
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: coalturkey On: Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:19 am

Many of the Warm Morning stoves were abused by burning wood in them. That being said, I question the need for the corner flues when burning anthracite coal .Any thoughts on that? Are they necessary with the different burn of anthracite?
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: AKShadow On: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:04 pm

http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/68/cat ... rence.html

Some of the Warm Morning firebricks can be found here.
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Wiggles1 On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:44 pm

I don't understand what you are doing to your stove to have to replace the fire bricks the stove I use has the original bricks are you using wet coal which may be break in them down.Also keep corner bricks clear of ash to keep stove venting gasses so you don't get carbon monoxide build up
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: NJJoe On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:21 pm

coalturkey wrote:Many of the Warm Morning stoves were abused by burning wood in them. That being said, I question the need for the corner flues when burning anthracite coal .Any thoughts on that? Are they necessary with the different burn of anthracite?

My understanding is that warm morning stoves are designed and excel at burning bituminous and these passageways allow for introduction of heated secondary for combustion of volatiles.
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PostBy: Kennebago On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:47 pm

I have a warm morning - have not used it for a few years (but its in the future) - I burned Anth in it for about 10 years - corner bricks are still good - never had a problem. It would not be a big deal to make new bricks if there was a reasonable demand for them. You need some bricks for a pattern, and a medium high temp kiln. I have not looked for a while but as I recall the originals are a pressed and medium fired refractory brick nothing particularly unusual but they are not made from "castable". If, as I suspect, they were pressed the pressing molds can be expensive - but - with modern castables my guess is it would not be too difficult to find one that is suitable _ BUT_ I believe the bricks would need to be fired to about 1350C - maybe a little higher - prior to use.
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PostBy: J F Graham On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:38 pm

Folks' you don't have to be rocket scientists to figure this one out. Having been a mason contractor/ tile guy for many years; This one is easy. Line the thing as best you can, then use a wet saw to cut any angles where appropriate to tighten things up on the fire brick. Then after every thing is dry fire it up and walk away!!!
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PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:45 pm

Stovepipemike,seems you got an easy answer,buy a wet saw for this guy you met,give him the saw with lessons on how to easily cut firebrick angles & easily save all warm morning stoves,have an easy time from then on. :)
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:32 pm

J F Graham wrote:Folks' you don't have to be rocket scientists to figure this one out. Having been a mason contractor/ tile guy for many years; This one is easy. Line the thing as best you can, then use a wet saw to cut any angles where appropriate to tighten things up on the fire brick. Then after every thing is dry fire it up and walk away!!!



Heck, you can even rent the a wet saw from most Home Depots and make a bunch of corner bricks. And, . . sell an extra corner brick and the wet saw rental is paid for too. ;)

Paul
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Re: How Can We Stop This Guy and Help Him at the same time ?

PostBy: J F Graham On: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:36 pm

windyhill4.2, yes that's an easy answer!!!! I've been tiling for many years. Just cut the firebrick to fit as tightly as possible then miter corners using wet saw to tighten up all voids ; and move on.
Jim
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