Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:36 pm

Are you suggesting the current guy WOULDN'T do that????
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: plumb-r On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:35 am

Obama has outspent the last FIVE presidents combined, that was 5, or cinco if you no habla. :o I like how "samhills" little graph of spending doesn't show that. Take the blinders off.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:08 am

samhill wrote:Which is it, you all refuse to take any responsibility or it's not only a lib thing? For a clue it can't be only one way unless your as dumb as you all let on to be & I know that your not. :shock: http://www.addictinginfo.org/which-part ... 1938-2004/



...2nd paragraph begins with the word "IF"...
and says "starting with Trumans term (and removing Roosevelts WW2 debt)...."
...hmmm thats fair....because no Republican president has ever racked up war debt....??



...
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:10 am

cont.

openg paragraph clearly states how 'evenly' both parties are the problem
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:03 am

I have never said that the blame is one sided, that is my whole point I have never put all the negative on the con side & all the positive on the lib side. Life (even in some minds) is never that easy & simple unless perhaps that is how someone's mind is but we all know that is not the issue here. :idea:
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:40 am

samhill wrote:I have never said that the blame is one sided, that is my whole point I have never put all the negative on the con side & all the positive on the lib side. Life (even in some minds) is never that easy & simple unless perhaps that is how someone's mind is but we all know that is not the issue here. :idea:


...i was just trying to read between the lines on this article.
... in the end... is certainly shows( or tries to anyways) that Republican presidents have contributed to the death(i mean debt) over Democratic presidents by 2 1/2 to 1.
.. unfortunately... I don't think there is a right or a left anymore...
in due to the fact that there has been a deficit for so long... and you have to factor in that it is growing at on exponential rate ( just look at the graph)
... it is a problem now that is mathematically impossible to remedy... no matter who is in charge
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:49 am

Unless we have another industrial revolution (in this country) get people to work & quit giving everything away both here & abroad we will never be able to even begin to slow the rate down. Once the huge spending spree started while at the same time cutting the income it's almost & just may be impossible to stop. If anything can be done it will take sacrifice, balls & determination from all (not just some) & we both know that will never happen. :cry:
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:55 am

10 industrial revolutions wont slow the rate down Sam
....its beyond repair.

...so when someting cant be fixed....what do we do ???

.... the answer is very simple.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:06 am

samhill wrote: If anything can be done it will take sacrifice, balls & determination from all (not just some) & we both know that will never happen.


it will happen all by itself just as it is happening right now in Greece and Spain. Markets will always correct when the imbalance becomes too great. The longer it is put off the worse it will be. The more debt has to be wiped out, the greater the pain.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:19 am

Rigar, what's your very simple answer? Shut down the Gov.? If so for how long & to what extent? Do they just simply renege on promises & responsibilities such as H.C., SS, food stamps & welfare while keeping welfare for the wealthy, subsidies for doing business off shore & one of my favorites not cutting their own salaries? Just what is so simple?
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:22 am

samhill wrote:Rigar, what's your very simple answer? Shut down the Gov.? If so for how long & to what extent? Do they just simply renege on promises & responsibilities such as H.C., SS, food stamps & welfare while keeping welfare for the wealthy, subsidies for doing business off shore & one of my favorites not cutting their own salaries? Just what is so simple?


Please, please that it would be so! And to a great extent, and forever.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:29 am

Which system do you think we would then quickly be under Isayre?
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:32 am

samhill wrote:Which system do you think we would then quickly be under Isayre?


The one our Founders intended for us.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:33 pm

samhill wrote:Unless we have another industrial revolution (in this country) get people to work & quit giving everything away both here & abroad we will never be able to even begin to slow the rate down. Once the huge spending spree started while at the same time cutting the income it's almost & just may be impossible to stop. If anything can be done it will take sacrifice, balls & determination from all (not just some) & we both know that will never happen. :cry:


Back in the Industrial Revolution, we had REAL money and we DIDN'T have government siphoning off "excess profit" from the producers.

We'll never see those times again.
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Re: Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase OurDebt

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:41 pm

samhill wrote:Rigar, what's your very simple answer? Shut down the Gov.? If so for how long & to what extent? Do they just simply renege on promises & responsibilities such as H.C., SS, food stamps & welfare while keeping welfare for the wealthy, subsidies for doing business off shore & one of my favorites not cutting their own salaries? Just what is so simple?


samhill
...it s not THAT simple...but i like that direction!
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