thininkg about buying a coal furance

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Wiz On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:10 pm

Most likely the chimney is fine, like mention use a mirror. On sunny day place mirror in thimble and look up to view flue. If you don't see gaps, cracks or broken flue your chimney will be good.
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: ad356 On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:22 pm

so i can forget getting an honest inspection of the safety of this chimney. i dont know if i want to use it, if i dont know if it is in fact safe i cannot get an honest and factual inspection and just a liner quote. they say liner i say have a nice day. i will probably buy the direct vent unit, $350 additional is not too bad. other question is that if i buy the direct vent unit, what do i hook up to the exhaust? double wall pellet/multifuel venting system like the one i use with my harman P63? i know direct vent means no chimney but what is the venting requirement?

the guy i spoke with said something also about the chimney being built for a natural gas furnace that it may not produce the draft needed for coal or wood.

if i could get a fair and honest answer that this thing would be Ok to use of course i would reuse it, but i dont think you will ever get honesty just liner qoutes.
ad356
 
Stove/Furnace Make: harman
Stove/Furnace Model: P61 pellet thinking about coal

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: ad356 On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:48 pm

dealer told me that if i heat with 6-7 tons of pellets per year that i could expect to be at 4-1/2 tons of coal. coal isnt cheap $330 per ton bagged, $260 per ton bulk delivery with a $30 charge per ton for delivery. he did say i might even burn less coal if i am heating the enitre house and dont have a cold basement constantly fighting me. he told me it might be quite a bit more efficent and that the basement being cold and unheated is drawing my heat away from my living space causing my current stove to waste fuel. he told me that the heat will always find the cold, and since the basement would be heated with radiant heat that the unit might burn allot less.

i dont kow if i can get a cheaper rate on coal prices, i will have to price shop.
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Stove/Furnace Make: harman
Stove/Furnace Model: P61 pellet thinking about coal

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Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Dennis On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:06 pm

fill in your profile,just a general town and state,that way you may have members in your area to help inspect/look at your chimney and also help in finding a local coal dealer for you.As you figured out already ,we dont mind helping each other out( it may cost you a beer or two).Your on your way to heating your house cheap and much warmer than ever before,keep at it.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: AHS/WOC55-multi-fuel/wood,oil,coal
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/stove size

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Wiz On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:56 pm

Ad356.. if you fill out your profile, we promise not to send the men in black :whistle:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:07 pm

ad356 wrote:dealer told me that if i heat with 6-7 tons of pellets per year that i could expect to be at 4-1/2 tons of coal.

Oops :oops: When I posted earlier I thought you were talking coal. 7 tons of pellets is still a bit excessive for your space....

ad356 wrote:he did say i might even burn less coal if i am heating the enitre house and dont have a cold basement constantly fighting me. he told me it might be quite a bit more efficent and that the basement being cold and unheated is drawing my heat away from my living space causing my current stove to waste fuel. he told me that the heat will always find the cold, and since the basement would be heated with radiant heat that the unit might burn allot less.

This whole thing doesn't make sense to me though.. I think he's looking to score a sale. But at any rate, heating the basement has its advantages. By heating the basement AND the house, you would use more coal than just heating the house. More space = more heat required.. :)
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:29 pm

Lightning wrote:This whole thing doesn't make sense to me though.. I think he's looking to score a sale. But at any rate, heating the basement has its advantages. By heating the basement AND the house, you would use more coal than just heating the house. More space = more heat required..

I agree the total bill will be higher. The pellets at 220 per ton are cheaper per Btu than bagged coal at 330 per ton. Use the present chimney if possible. You don't want a power vent running 24/7 burning electricity. The larger furnace fan will also burn more electric.

Heating the house more evenly will probably result in higher average temperature also.

Should use a stoker with insulated jacket to avoid excess heat loss to basement.

Coal cost has to be bought for less to make sense.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: ad356 On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:41 pm

i had a friend that just told me that coal stoves will not continue to run on their own without shaking the grate every so often. i think he is full of hot air. what really makes me rethink buying a coal stove is the fuel price. $330 per ton is no cheaper then $220 per ton on pellets. i didnt think that the price difference was that much. not only do i want central heating i want a return on my investment with a lower heating bill. i might just stay with the harman pellet if i cannot get a reasonable operation cost with coal. i might also consider buying one of those hotblast units, setting up a class A chimney and burning plain old firewood.
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Stove/Furnace Make: harman
Stove/Furnace Model: P61 pellet thinking about coal

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Rigar On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:53 pm

will you be paying for firewood?
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:02 pm

I hate to see people getting screwed so I'll comment. When I started my coal journey a year ago I had a highly recommended chimney sweep come look at a unused clay lined flue that I wanted to hook either a coal stove or boiler up to. Immediately he started in with the s/s liner sales pitch. Told him i'm burning coal not wood and just want the top of the chimney repointed and thimble installed. He looked at the flue and said yup looks good, but you still need the liner. Needless to say my house is nice and toasty right now with my coal stove and he did not get my business. If your not afraid of heights and have a smart phone you could do what I did and drop the phone down the chimney and take a video. I'm prepared for the laughs, but it worked in my case. Alot of members on the forum also helped me with this whole chimney ordeal. BTW your chimney is alot newer than mine. Good luck Matt. PS: Once you have a coal fire you will never think of wood again.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
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Other Heating: Oil hot water.

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: ad356 On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:40 pm

will a coal stove take care of its self pretty much and burn 12+ hours without messing with it until the ash pan has to be emptied or hopper has to be refilling
ad356
 
Stove/Furnace Make: harman
Stove/Furnace Model: P61 pellet thinking about coal

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Rigar On: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:45 pm

add...
some stoves are hand fed..some are hopper fed...
you indicated a stoker...so theres no shaking...

...At Freetowns house theres a whole lott a shakin' goin' on !!
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:34 am

ad356 wrote:i had a friend that just told me that coal stoves will not continue to run on their own without shaking the grate every so often. i think he is full of hot air. what really makes me rethink buying a coal stove is the fuel price. $330 per ton is no cheaper then $220 per ton on pellets. i didnt think that the price difference was that much. not only do i want central heating i want a return on my investment with a lower heating bill. i might just stay with the harman pellet if i cannot get a reasonable operation cost with coal. i might also consider buying one of those hotblast units, setting up a class A chimney and burning plain old firewood.


True - a coal stove or hand fed coal furnace needs tended to, usually on 12 hour intervals. This involves shaking the grates and reloading coal. Shake and re load takes roughly 10 minutes, give or take - then another 20-30 minutes for the fresh batch to get burning good to re adjust primary air settings for the 12 hour burn.

A stoker unit only needs its hopper filled and ashes dumped. Schedule varies according to how hard its running.

True - Price per BTU on coal vrs. wood pellets is very close for you, given the costs you posted. Difference of only $2.00 per million BTU with coal being slightly lower.

Burn wood for economy, if you can get it free or close to it. If you don't mind filling a hopper and dumping ashes once in a while, then I'm sure you won't mind cutting splitting stacking hauling bugs mess and chucking wood in a furnace every few hours either.. :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Wiz On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:30 am

Burn wood for economy, if you can get it free or close to it. If you don't mind filling a hopper and dumping ashes once in a while, then I'm sure you won't mind cutting splitting stacking hauling bugs mess and chucking wood in a furnace every few hours either
..

x2 adding to cost of wood chainsaw,gas,mixed etc.. Visits to chiropractor will become a routine,been there done it.
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: thininkg about buying a coal furance

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:13 am

Most of us here have sore a sphincter from being raped by oil and pro pain companies. We hand the coal man 1200-1500 dollars for 5 tons of coal with a clown like grin on our face.

And this time of year I drive by mountains of firewood with two guys and a splitter laboring. My wife says to me, "what are giggling about?" :lol:
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