How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:28 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Jack Magnum wrote:ABOUT how long should it take to fill back up ? Right now I am loading some and waiting til it catches good and loading some more all the time with the ash door open and pipe temp at 300 degrees.


Way to go Jack (relighting your stove) :clap:

I've always found that a new fire doesn't need any poking for about a week in the TLC, as the ash is powdery & should settle OK with just shaking down. As far as how long to refill, maybe 5 to 10 minutes tops..... when you're running the stove hot on cold days! You don't need to wait for each layer to catch, (I just do that when initially starting a coal fire because it is still weak until going well) just leave a section of the fire still blazing (not covered with fresh coal) & dump a full load of coal onto the other areas. Once the areas you "dumped" coal onto are blazing...maybe 5-10 minutes.....dump coal onto the area you left alone b4. (keep the ash door open during this whole procedure & only close it when the stove temp is rising again, after the final load)



Jack Magnum wrote:At night have you ever tried cutting back on the coal draft and opening a LITTLE on the wood draft levers ? My farmer friend says he does it to help burn slower. He has a vermont castings.



I don't bhave any draft controls on my chimney Jack because I have pretty poor draft anyway so I never need to lessen a strong draft. On very windy nights , I have sometime slid the secondary air controls up about 1/2 way to let the chimney suck some air from above the coal bed. To be honest with you, I don't really know if that saves me any coal or heat, but it doesn't hurt! :lol:

Devil,
No draft on my chimney either. I just meant the 2 wood burning draft levers on the stove itself. My farmer friend had said he cuts his main coal stove draft back some at night and opens his top draft a little and he says it helps it burn nicely. Today I sprinkled some coal on top the fire I haven't touched the draft at all and since outside temps have risen to 25 degrees my stove pipe temp is at 250 and my house temp crept up to almost 80 degrees. The wind is really picking up here so what shallI expect my fire to do ? You mentioned opening the wood burning draft levers and what exactly does that do ? Thanks for all the info.
Jack
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:36 pm

I just shook down the coal again and reloaded . Looks like a success !!! :D Temps about the same but the wind is really starting to blow. Living on the lake we get our share and everybody elses share of the wind. Is there anything I need to watch as far as stove operation with the extra winds ? Seems nice not to have to be a slave like I was with our wood insert !!!!!!!!!! :D
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:03 pm

Jack Magnum wrote:The wind is really picking up here so what shallI expect my fire to do ? You mentioned opening the wood burning draft levers and what exactly does that do ? Thanks for all the info.
Jack


Since I have no baro, any extra chimney suction/draft can only pull more air out of my stove, (through the coal bed) increasing stove temps. If I open the secondary sliders a bit, the unwanted extra draft can suck air out of the top of the TLC, above the coal bed.... not through it. (mind you, I haven't quantified this but I THINK it keeps the coal fire more regulated)
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:23 pm

Jack Magnum wrote:Is there anything I need to watch as far as stove operation with the extra winds ?


Sounds like you would really benefit from a barometric damper, which will automatically cancel out any wind effects on your fire.
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:01 am

Devil505 wrote:
Jack Magnum wrote:Is there anything I need to watch as far as stove operation with the extra winds ?


Sounds like you would really benefit from a barometric damper, which will automatically cancel out any wind effects on your fire.

Were having 30mph winds but the stove is running fine right now. My wife wanted it even hotter so I made some small adjustments and it's 81 in here and now I am going to go the other way and see what happens.
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:43 am

Jack Magnum wrote:Were having 30mph winds but the stove is running fine right now. My wife wanted it even hotter so I made some small adjustments and it's 81 in here and now I am going to go the other way and see what happens.


The effect high wind has on most stove/chimney combos is that the extra draft caused by the wind will make your stove run hotter than normal by sucking more air through your fire bed. (in other words, you could set your air controls so that your stove was maintaining 200* at bed time, but wake up at 4:00am to find your stove temp jumped up to 300* due to wind induced added draft)
A baro lets the extra draft suck air from the stove room, not the stove itself, thereby negating the unwanted extra draw.
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:45 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Jack Magnum wrote:Were having 30mph winds but the stove is running fine right now. My wife wanted it even hotter so I made some small adjustments and it's 81 in here and now I am going to go the other way and see what happens.


The effect high wind has on most stove/chimney combos is that the extra draft caused by the wind will make your stove run hotter than normal by sucking more air through your fire bed. (in other words, you could set your air controls so that your stove was maintaining 200* at bed time, but wake up at 4:00am to find your stove temp jumped up to 300* due to wind induced added draft)
A baro lets the extra draft suck air from the stove room, not the stove itself, thereby negating the unwanted extra draw.

I think I get it. I will wait until next season before frogging around with that . I only have about a 20'' vertical stove pipe before ashort horizontal run out the thimble.Would it still be possible fro installation ?
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:34 am

Well, 12 below here and I've got 74 degrees in the LR and 70 in the kitchen. The stove draft lever is about half way open and the blower is on med low. Devil, Where is your coal draft lever when it's cold?
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:01 am

Jack Magnum wrote:I only have about a 20'' vertical stove pipe before ashort horizontal run out the thimble.Would it still be possible fro installation ?

Sure




Jack Magnum wrote:The stove draft lever is about half way open and the blower is on med low. Devil, Where is your coal draft lever when it's cold?


While there is no "Correct" setting for everyone Jack, I generally set mine about 1/2 way open on very cold days. This morning, I would say it's about 60% open, since today & tomorrow will be so cold! :shock: (this keeps my stack temp at about 300* ...on a magnetic surface thermometer about 12" up on the stack)
In warmer weather, I often have it open very little.....maybe 1/4"-1/2".

You should make any adjustments to yours based on what YOUR house temp is maintained at with different stove & outdoor temps.
We'll all burn through allot more coal (& create much more ash to get rid of) in these frigid temps!! :jawdrop:

Stay Warm!!
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:11 am

My stove pipe temp is at 200 degrees and control for draft about 1/2 open. If I open it 3/4 it should increase the stove temp right ? Outside temp went to 14 below !!! :roll:
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:21 am

Jack Magnum wrote:My stove pipe temp is at 200 degrees and control for draft about 1/2 open. If I open it 3/4 it should increase the stove temp right ? Outside temp went to 14 below !!! :roll:


Yes....Don't forget, my stove is about 4 years old with the original gaskets so I'm sure I may have some air infiltration through the ash door gasket, even when the air slider is closed. (Yours is new & probably tighter)
Really makes no difference as long as you learn what works well with YOUR stove. Slider/air control settings will always vary a bit, stove to stove.
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:22 am

Thanks so much 4 the info
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: jstarr13 On: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:39 pm

Hi,
I'm new here and have some problems with coal.
Let me start off by giving an history of my situation.
I've been in this house for 25 years and have been using my HERCULES stove every year with fire wood. No problem till this year while I'm running out of wood.
There has been a large coal bin in my basement with maybe 1/2 a ton of coal just sitting there.
Since I am running out of wood, I figured, let's try this coal thing. Took me quite a while to find this site. Damn glad I did!!
Anyway, I'm following the instuctions posted, and am not getting favorable results. I gotta be doing something wrong?
Ash pit is clean, flu is clean and clear, started a strong wood fire and started shoveling small amounts of this coal in. I'm very concious of draft.
In fact the ash door stays open most of the time. Occasionaly, I do get some blue flames. add more coal, and it goes out.
I add more wood to get it started again. Most of the time the coal will just glow but not flame.
Could I have bad coal. Like I said it's been sitting in the bin for at least 25 years.
Any ideas? thanxs, jstarr13 in Monroe NY
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: BDHodosn On: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:11 pm

So my procedure is reasonably like the one in the Hitzer manual. Get a strong hardwood fire rolling with stack temps >450°F. Layer in around 2" over the entire fuel bed, and *this is where I differ from Hitzer* leave the ash door open 'til the coal is glowing...stack >= 450°F. Keep combustion air controls wide open, layer in multiple feeds in beds of 2" until the box is filled to the top of the firebrick, keep the down-draft flue entrance clear for good draft. Takes around 60 lbs.

I'm still learning quite a bit from Hitzer themselves, and here. Today was my first real success with anthracite. Just stoked her for the night (I hope) and she seems to be running around 310°F up the stack. I'm happy with that as I need loads of heat output to keep the second story comfy from our basement (normal draft heating with no ducts to the stove).

Pics to follow when I get them taken and uploaded.
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Re: How to Light a Hand Fired Coal Stove

PostBy: wnyjim On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:43 am

This works every time. Saves time too especially when you need to get things going. Harbor freight..around $20 bucks.
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