Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:32 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
I am using stove coal (big chunks) as they do not fall through the grate like the chestnut seems to.


Hold the phone here BG, here is a photo of my grate on my Invader 2 without the firepot and ring, there is no way chestnut will fall through this. Does yours look like this??? Nothing wrong with stove but it can take a bit of lighting and for a stove this size with a chute I need chestnut for even flow.


Newbie roasting up some quarters :clap:

That grate looks spankin' new... I got 5 bucks says coal newb's wont ever light it up toothy
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:01 am

I am thinking, from 94 miles away, that my chimney is about 13 to 14 feet high. it has a double clay liner in it and upstairs on the first floor is an open fireplace. the tube that I have the coal stove hooked into has a heavy downdraft.

I am not sure about the grate as I have never had the parts you mention removed from the stove to look down at the grate. Just the open of your stove as you are viewing it from above looks foreign to me however the markings on the stove are clear Union Stove Works Invader 2.
Could you take close up picture of the front of yours for me, us?

I am thinking that maybe I have a problem with some of the internal parts. Picture history will be compiled this weekend and posted just a soon as I return. No computer in the Poconos.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:37 am

You have no need to dissemble anything, just open the loading door and look at the grate and photo away. The support ring and firepot can't be installed until I dismantle the stove for sealing - an easy job BTW, it's such a cutie, don't you just want to pick it up and hug it (sexually deviant behavior is frowned upon on this board) - I digress. As I have yet to decide on whether or not to light this baby up that is all you get. How do you put a match to a 100 year old stove that has never been lit???? However, I think it was alight once - at least I suppose it was. However, I don't have fancy gold paint on the trophy plate or foot supports. These stoves look a little different, I wonder what is going on. So, high in the Poconos, were these stoves painted from the factory or not or did Doug just add that touch, I would think they would be nickeled if anything. I have a chute/hopper and I suppose this was an optional extra but stove sized coal will barely fit and probably won't flow right. However, your shaker grate assembly should look like this. If you look beneath the trophy plate, that little tab is the side to side shaker and dumper (pull it out), the handle is not shown. So do you have this stuff or not? These are little stoves besides some of the monsters on this board and there is no way such a little stove can't burn nut even though stove is fine IF you can light it. Again don't be concerned BG all these stoves kick a ss once alight and rolling.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:34 am

If I look on the Barnstaplestove website a few things now look different. Do you have an Invader 3 with a bigger firepot (12" vs 10"), nickelling and a different finial and is it a baseburner or not- send photos of the back please. Doug says yours is baseburner, however, mine is not. Curiouser and curiouser. Perhaps yours is a later fancier model.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:53 am

I would find it very hard to believe yours is not a baseburner (to some degree), now I want better photo's of yours (@coalnewbie) of the rear and the inside under and behind ashpan and also to the back behind firepot, check if you have the levers/flappers to re-route the hot air anyplace other than out the damb flu? :cry: also...take some photo's of all your internal parts (firepot, inside flu, up under dome from inside)... I find it very hard to believe in 120 years someone bought this beauty and never once fired it up (if that's the case.... id never lite it either!!!)
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:11 am

DC I know what to look for, a couple of slides to insert the poker and in the back a slide to allow outside air in like a baro. The air does flow up and down to the breech somewhat. Hmmm, is this stove an earlier model.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:36 am

I have no idea who Doug is. I purchased this unit on ebay from Rick who lives in Sparta, NJ late winter - early spring of this year. He is a builder and was doing major surgery on a cabin that this stove was used to provide heat in. He, Rick, never used this stove. Seems he was asked to dispose of it for the client. The only thing I ever step in are dog droppings. What a nice freebie find for him. Pictures this weekend.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:18 pm

I had assumed that this was a stove from Barnstaplestove.com (Doug is the owner), so when do we get to see pics of yours, now I am really fascinated. Is no one going to comment on a stove with a strong downdraft.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:50 pm

Can you examine your stove and see if there might be a date case somewhere in/on it? I will do the same with mine this weekend.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:52 pm

I came accross barnstable during my due diligence research on this stove and they were kind enough to respond to several questions that I had about it.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:43 pm

coalnewbie wrote: Is no one going to comment on a stove with a strong downdraft.

I noticed that but since it is a chimney issue and we are still figuring out the stove I did not comment.

The cure for the downdraft might be as simple as closing the damper in the upstairs fireplace. The house itself also has a chimney effect. Experiment by opening a window near the stove. Once a little heat is up the stove might draw normally but it seems we are not close to that yet.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:12 pm

I think I understand your thought on the damper. As the fire place is burning upstairs, even thought it vents through a different clay lining than the coal stove the fireplace is drawing air from the room/house and it is finding the relief point from the coal stove when not in operation, it sucks air down its' clay lining through the coal stove causing that heavy down draft. Well thought out. I also smell smoke in the basement when the fireplace is going and the coal stove is not. Bravo! Sounds like I could have saved some coin and not have purchased the barometric damper although maybe that will still help.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:55 pm

Well perhaps, but if you look on the back of the stove

http://nepacrossroads.com/download/file ... =42213&t=1

Is this an early baro and do you have this device? Once the chimney is drawing I presume that you open this a little on windy days. I'm really not sure what it does. It is not a heat diverter. Also look at the metal on the breach - has this ever been attached to anything in it's life.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:28 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Well perhaps, but if you look on the back of the stove

http://nepacrossroads.com/download/file ... =42213&t=1

Is this an early baro and do you have this device? Once the chimney is drawing I presume that you open this a little on windy days. I'm really not sure what it does. It is not a heat diverter. Also look at the metal on the breach - has this ever been attached to anything in it's life.


That's the check damper.
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Re: Union Stove Works Invader 2 Parlour coal stove

PostBy: badlegdave On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:34 pm

I asked barnstablestove about this vent just above the oval exhause outlet and they said to keep it closed.

When and how is this check damper used?
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