I'm just busting with pride...

I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:49 am

Sam, you must be so proud of them:

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/putin_they_lie.jpg

Makes me want to throw up.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:53 am

Pretty sad that a majority of informed people believe Putin over our current administration. And with good reason.


Oh yea they promise they do not want to disarm Americans. :mad:
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:39 am

Since you directed the post to me, I'll say this that during that debate I don't recall Kerry ever saying that in those words but I didn't watch the entire thing but did see a good bit, in any event I would guess that they all have to tiptoe around saying what they might not want to. As with many questions it was referred that the answer would be in a closed door session, despite what you & others want most are not going to say anything on live TV coverage what shouldn't be said. Even harder to believe is that I don't trust Russia. I recall Bush yukking it up with the Russian Pres. at the Olympics at the exact time that the Russians invaded Georgia, no no CNB it's the former state of Russia not the one in the U.S..
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: Rigar On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:00 am

...its never been a secret that Syrian rebels are backed by Al-queerdas....i mean Al-qaeda....
this has been the debate from the start...and why Syria is a no win situation
(aside from humanitarian aid/support) for the truly innocent.
if you could evacuate every woman and child from syria...then i would say let them destroy each other.
.......both sides HATE the U.S.......so whats the point?
(besides ruffling feathers with Iran, Russia , and China)
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:09 am

Rigar you got that one right, not much is going to change there no matter who wins but it's their war not ours. :|
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:09 am

Here's something new.

The American Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The Russian Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The Syrian Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The Korean Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The Chinese Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The British Government lies to it's people and to other nations.

The Iraqi Government lies to it's people and to other nations.





I'm sensing a pattern here.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:43 pm

I wonder if the Russian, Syrian, Chinese, Korean, and British people still believe their government is looking out for their best interest or that their country is demonstrably better than all others?
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:35 pm

I never met a foreigner that didn't think we were doing it wrong. Loved the freedom and our malls and all that *censored*. But believed whatever their gov. told them. Like the British kid that was taught that we Americans only came into the war after the Brits had done all the hard work and just mopped up.

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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: Davian On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:42 pm

KLook wrote:I never met a foreigner that didn't think we were doing it wrong. Loved the freedom and our malls and all that *censored*. But believed whatever their gov. told them. Like the British kid that was taught that we Americans only came into the war after the Brits had done all the hard work and just mopped up.

Kevin


In WWI, that would be accurate (well, technically the French did most of the heavy lifting on the Western Front with minimal help from the Brits and USA)...in WWII...yeah, not so much. The Russians did most of the work in WWII (in the European theater). We did 95% of the work in the Pacific if for no other reason than we didnt want the Brits or Russians to have any role in the postwar rebuilding efforts and landgrab (ie, we wanted the USSR to stay out of China and Japan and we wanted the Brits to lose all their previous colonies and influence there). The Brits had to basically beg FDR to even allow their Pacific fleet (the only real remaining naval fighting force for the UK) to have any part at all in the final push up through the island groups in late '44 through the armistice in Aug 45. The British Pacific fleet was fairly strong at that point, but it had nothing on any of the US fleets operating in that theater...complete mirror image of WWI's naval distributions. By the time WWII came around, the Brits were a superpower in name only and really had nothing left to bring to the table. They were still broke from WWI and the Great Depression...they simply couldn't afford to project power anymore. They didnt really get this delusion out of their head until after the Suez crisis in 1956 where Ike told them and France to go pound sand after they tried to play their old colonial intervention game in Egypt with Israel's help.

The Brits situation post-WWI is eerily similar to the current financial issues facing the US after 13 years of "anti-terror" war...at some point, you simply can't spend anymore and you can't project power...then it all comes crashing down.

That's the 30 sec version based on a BA and MA in History with a heavy focus on that time period.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:21 pm

Davian wrote:That's the 30 sec version based on a BA and MA in History

Before we can explain anything we first have to know what it is we are trying to explain. What is history?

Henry Ford said that it is bunk.

Emerson said that there is a mind common to all men and that history is the record of that mind.

Since I lean toward the latter definition then understanding history is to understand the mind of man, a place our civilization is determined not to go and a place in which our historians remain illiterate.

Could Henry have been right?
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:00 pm

History is written by the winners.

EDIT: For the record, because the above is true, I agree with Henry. History is more or less bunk. Three sides to every story.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:56 pm

Thanks Davian, I had a superb history teacher in college. I read everything I could get my hands on about the world wars, but it was bunk of course. Actually, I read a lot of the blow by blow history, not the propaganda political stuff. I have to agree as my perception of what I was taught and how accurate it was is that Henry was right.

Kevin
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: Davian On: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:08 am

KLook wrote:Thanks Davian, I had a superb history teacher in college. I read everything I could get my hands on about the world wars, but it was bunk of course. Actually, I read a lot of the blow by blow history, not the propaganda political stuff. I have to agree as my perception of what I was taught and how accurate it was is that Henry was right.

Kevin


The "fun" in my opinion is the time you get to take sifting through various sources trying to get a good picture of what happened...and even then, its not really the exact picture. Fortunately for both the wars in question, there are plenty of primary sources on both sides and loads of raw data to dig through to form opinions on regardless of what the official victor version is...the further you get from the time period, the harder that process becomes...hence the large amount of mythology that has built up about the Revolution or even the Civil War at this point. Lots of the best sources for the Civil War are literally studies that were written 70-80 years ago...back when the experience was still somewhat "fresh" in the nation's collective memory but removed enough for some rational scholarship to take place. Its a fascinating process...at least to me.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:49 pm

I have a 5 volume set of the "History of the World War" written AS the first world war was going on. It's pretty amazing.
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Re: I'm just busting with pride...

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:09 pm

I would submit that the propaganda machine was in its infancy and not as adept as it has become. Today, they can lie about just about anything, and the media covers perfectly. I really dont trust anything anymore. Sad.

Kevin
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