code enforcement??

code enforcement??

PostBy: cornhusker On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:30 am

We just purchased a keystoker KC 10 and are in the process of installing it (private home, heating, domestic hot water/hydronic system). The problem is the code enforcement officer won't even look at it. He is unfamiliar with the manufacturer, and states we purchased an untested, uncertified unit because it does not have a UL code. We have sent him the the state code requirements for coal boilers (which are different than gas/oil), the stamp of certification by ASME on the unit itself, along with the metal stamp on the unit. He is unresponsive, to emails and phone calls, and it is obvious he just doesn't want to deal with it. I am not sure what to do next. Anyone have any ideas? We live in upstate NY. I have contacted the manufacturer and the dealer for help, and while they have been helpful (sent me the ASME certification, as well as the specific codes, which I forwarded to the code officer) there is only so much they can do. Any ideas? I don't think this can be resolved on a local level, but I don't know where to go next.
cornhusker
 
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: kc10

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:51 am

....can i ask what town?
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:56 am

his boss would be the mayor...start there.
Have ur attorney send all documents on the unit a a detailed outline of what is goin on
.keep track of dates.
i would call the mayors office 5-7 times a day....
i promise you codes guy will fet back to you

....they CAN NOT keep you from proceeding in NY
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

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Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:15 am

Imagine that---a code enforcement officer with an out of control EGO problem--SURPRISE, SURPRISE. Go to NYS Code Enforcement web site--check NFPA codes--solid fuel burning--again---where are you? NYS as does everyone else -- runs with international codes
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:33 am

....what a crock of bullcrap and let me explain, I understand a lot of folks want to do what is considered the right thing.

1. I choose to burn coal
2. I paid for my home
3. I pay my homeowners, even had the agent in the home and he didn't care if I burned coal, because there is no inspector in this town.
4. I have a co detectors.
5. My family is warm.....my job!
6. Anyone on my property I don't want on my property are trespassing.
7. If you really want this PUBLIC SERVANT back on your property, ask town hall if you can grind up the old asbestos from your old furnace put it your bird feeder.
8. I would use an installer I know and trust, this is all the regulation I need and want!

Good luck....just 1 man's opinion.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:03 am

cornhusker wrote:He is unfamiliar with the manufacturer,, and states we purchased an untested,.


That's his problem, tell him it's been tested real world since 1946. :roll:

I feel your pain, as suggested it sounds like it's time to go to whoever is over his head and COMPLAIN especially about him not returning phone calls.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:08 am

.... just out of curiosity?
why is code enforcement even involved??....
i would assume its because you have a permit...???
which required an application .???
which he had to approve of..???
he can only enforce the permit....and not make up rules as he goes...
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:10 am

Put the damn thing in and forget about it. Once its in and making heat no one can make you go without heat. Much better to ask forgiveness than permission. Let that be a lesson to you for trying to do the right thing. :roll:
waldo lemieux
 
Stove/Furnace Make: efm
Stove/Furnace Model: s-20

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Wiz On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:49 am

I wouldn't even call in the first place, this is the reason why I don't. Period
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:54 am

Nonsense, the company has been in business for longer than the guy has lived!
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: WNYRob On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:54 am

I am in Western New York and while I didn't go to the town for a blessing for my koker, I did have my homeowners insurance agent (State Farm) stop by and take a look at it. No trouble there, I just showed him how I installed it to Keystoker's specs (clearances) and he took a couple pictures of my set up so he had it on record.
WNYRob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker Koker controlled with CoalTrol

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:21 am

BUT---being you already DID contact him--just go to the sites I suggested & make copies of what you might need somewhere down the road--proven fact---once an ass hole---always an ass hole. Cover your ass documentation wise & get on with your install.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:14 am

It is unfortunate that he got involved at all, but it sounds like you made every attempt to go about this the proper way. Now that he is refusing to communicate with you, I would go ahead and install the boiler the way the manufacture recommends and have the paperwork handy that shows it was installed according to National firecode and the manual.

You might be able to go over his head, but by the time you get that resolved it will be spring.

On a different note, how large of a home are you heating? A KC10 is a big boiler.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:02 pm

Here's what you do. Install the stove and fire it up. Screw 'em. That's what you get for trying to do the correct thing.
I'm On Fire
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machines DS-1600 Hot Air Circulator

Re: code enforcement??

PostBy: steamup On: Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:16 pm

The process is simple.

1. go to town/village offices.
2. Apply for a building permit for installation of a solid fuel appliance.
3. Install appliance in accordance to the residential code and mechanical code of NYS. Also being a boiler, NYS code rule 4 applies (to limitation in residential construction).
4. Notify town/village official of completion.
5. It they wish to inspect that is their responsibility. If they do not, don't worry.

They can only enforce written regulations. They can have regulations above and beyond state code but must be adopted by the governing body and in writing.

The code enforcement officer is the local authority have jurisdiction. If he rejects something, he must give you written notice and cite the code being violated. He can however interpert the code.

There is no requirement in NYS codes that a solid fuel appliance be UL listed. This would have to be a local code.
It does require the product to be listed and labeled by an independant testing agency for the use of which it was intended. It only requires that a record be kept of this testing.
Keystoker doe label their units. As far has ever having them tested, ask them.
The only documentation that should be required is that the appliance is listed for the use intended. Example - you cannot burn wood pellets in it as it is not listed for it but you can burn rice coal because it is.

ASME construction is not required for residential buildings under 6 living units (apartments or townhouses). Keystoker boilers are NOT ASME constructed. This should not an issue.

You should maintain the clearances around the unit as required in Code rule 4 (2 feet back and sides, 4 feet in front). I consider the hopper the front but you may want more than 2 feet on the ash bin side.

Carbon monoxide detectors are required in the Property Maintenance Code and are a must with coal heat.

Requirements for chimney's apply. Solid fuel appliances must have their own chimney

Note:
Link to codes:
http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/st/ny/st/index.htm
http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprot ... h/sh4.shtm

Note: He can "red tag" the appliance and prohibit operation if he feels it is not installed per code, but he must state the reason. You can argue with him but it is better to discuss it pleasantly. It will be difficult to go over his head legally without a lawyer.

PS I agree a KC-10 is a big unit. You must have a huge heat load.

PSS: Document, Document, Document
steamup
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130, Keystoker K-6
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Coal Size/Type: pea, buck, rice

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