wildlife...

wildlife...

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:36 pm

Yesterday while out doing runs, saw a wolF scampering along a field. Not a coyote.. a WOLF!! First one i seen in Pa. it was just above 167, north road split, up !/4 mile in fields on right side heading towards St joes way. Big Asz animal.. so people keep yar eyes open when walking the woods this coming season for hunting.
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Re: wildlife...

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:43 pm

Orrrrrr, make sure you wear a Red Cape with a hood on it! :clap: toothy Real handsome critters aren't they Bill? You're lucky, most people never get the opportunity. :)
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PostBy: KLook On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:37 pm

The Eastern coyote has been moving steadily south since their release in Maine in the 70's. It is not a true coyote and is in fact a hybrid grey wolf/coyote mix. I have seen them weigh in at 70 lbs. The people down here laugh when I tell them they are coming, but the biologist for the states with big deer herds South of New England are warning that the next big thing for the deer is the Eastern Coyote. I highly doubt you saw a real wolf, unless some dimwit hippy animal lover released one of the 98% Timber Wolf hybrids that you can order online. I saw one of these critters in Maine and the owner told me how incredible it was. It was a female at about 120 lbs. and could stand at the base of an 8 ft. fence and jump straight up over it. It picked up a 100lb. bag of fertilizer at a neighbors and just lugged it home. Not sure why, because it could I guess. It dragged a "doghouse" he built for it that was unmovable in his opinion and it dragged it all the way to the road and then some. These are not toys. He got rid of it because it was to aggressive with anyone outside his family. I am still shocked to this day that he let it anywhere near his daughter. No one could have prevented it from killing whatever it decided to kill at any given moment. So, I hope you did not see a wolf or anything close, but it is small consolation that you may have seen one of the "smaller" cousins of one that will still decimate your herds.

Kevin

Please, if you are out hunting, practice the shoot,shovel, and shut up method of dealing with these things. Many want the return of the Timber Wolf to Maine and it is a travesty. Take the time to look at how big they are and how vicious. Get past the propaganda the green Libtards are putting out about how noble and intelligent they are.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:29 pm

KLook wrote:The Eastern coyote has been moving steadily south since their release in Maine in the 70's. It is not a true coyote and is in fact a hybrid grey wolf/coyote mix. I have seen them weigh in at 70 lbs. The people down here laugh when I tell them they are coming, but the biologist for the states with big deer herds South of New England are warning that the next big thing for the deer is the Eastern Coyote. I highly doubt you saw a real wolf, unless some dimwit hippy animal lover released one of the 98% Timber Wolf hybrids that you can order online. I saw one of these critters in Maine and the owner told me how incredible it was. It was a female at about 120 lbs. and could stand at the base of an 8 ft. fence and jump straight up over it. It picked up a 100lb. bag of fertilizer at a neighbors and just lugged it home. Not sure why, because it could I guess. It dragged a "doghouse" he built for it that was unmovable in his opinion and it dragged it all the way to the road and then some. These are not toys. He got rid of it because it was to aggressive with anyone outside his family. I am still shocked to this day that he let it anywhere near his daughter. No one could have prevented it from killing whatever it decided to kill at any given moment. So, I hope you did not see a wolf or anything close, but it is small consolation that you may have seen one of the "smaller" cousins of one that will still decimate your herds.

Kevin

Please, if you are out hunting, practice the shoot,shovel, and shut up method of dealing with these things. Many want the return of the Timber Wolf to Maine and it is a travesty. Take the time to look at how big they are and how vicious. Get past the propaganda the green Libtards are putting out about how noble and intelligent they are.



I did not know about these. I shot a coyote about 2yrs ago during deer season and it was about twice the size of the typical coyote. I wonder if this is what it was. I didn't think much about it besides. Damn that is a big coyote.
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PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:45 am

Several years ago I read in the NY State conservation magazine that they believed the larger size of the coyote was a natural evolution to better hunt deer.

Reading George Catlin's book on his studies of Native Americans in the 1830's there was frequent mention of wolves, but mostly as part of the scene and never as having any concern for safety. Wolves were frequently around his camp but just ignored. Once they even found evidence of a visit by a Grizzly during the night that never disturbed them.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Nice franco--point being--those critters--be they E. coyotes or wolves aren't doin a damn thing to harm a deer hunter & rarely will expose themselves--DON't say you're doing it to help out the farmers--you are NOT!! You're just killin for the sake of it!!! :(
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PostBy: KLook On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:33 pm

I see Fred, that is why the first known killing of a human happened just a few years back in Nova Scotia when coyotes dragged down a 19 year old girl and killed her. Keep reading that old stuff, best way to judge the current danger. And we will see what you think when they move in fully. Let alone the wolves coming back. I had been hunting and fishing amongst them for 30 years or more until I moved. And I never went into the woods unarmed unless there was more then one person. Eastern Maine has the highest black bear density East of the Mississippi river and mountain lions(yeah, they are a myth, har har.) and the hybrid coyote. I have said it before and I will say it again, eastern, northern, western Maine are NOT just like Penn, W&N NY, W.Mass, or Vermont and NH. Did you say you have sheep? That will be the connection for you then. The sheep in Maine have to be protected by special dogs or kept in electric fenced areas. Wonder why? And peoples dogs have been killed right in their yards, on the ends of chains or dragged out of their doghouses. The warden on North Woods Law, Dave Craven, is a resident of the same town as Stevezee. He raises sheep and had a hunting beagle killed right in his yard. He hates them with a passion. Which also leads to the many beagles killed each year when out hunting. My business partner lost both of his that way.
They are not normal coyotes and they will have an impact on your hunting and farming.

Kevin
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PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:27 pm

I am not afraid of coyotes.
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PostBy: KLook On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:30 pm

That is a good attitude until you are confronted with one or two or three......and the cat is much more to be feared. Even more a momma bear and cubs.

Kevin

And you have never seen our coyotes.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:34 pm

Kevin, I believe the point I was trying to make was about killing them just for the sake of killing them--I think anyone that would go into the deep woods unarmed is an ass. I've never seen a sheep flock without at least ONE dog in with them around here --Great Piranese ??? I believe--big long haired white things. Definitely a shame about the 19 yr old, but as you said--the FIRST KNOWN killing--these things been around how long?? hybrid or not--I'm far from saying bazaar behavior on their parts is acceptable --but--we take their land, their food, etc--what could go wrong there??? I've got a friend in Wyoming that does dairy--he is real close to the release of wolves into the wild & has no problems because he takes preventive measures-- Put me in a position where a wolf, coyote, bear, catamount, hybrid whatever threatens my space---oh yea, it's dead, but I know where I live & it ain't the suburbs. Is that like my cars bigger then your car ;)
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PostBy: franco b On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:36 pm

KLook wrote:That is a good attitude until you are confronted with one or two or three......and the cat is much more to be feared. Even more a momma bear and cubs.

Kevin

And you have never seen our coyotes.

I agree a pack is more dangerous, even domestic dogs. The cats have been around the area for about 5 years now and no problem except for the deer. They have a wide range and the deer are just starting to come back.
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PostBy: wilder11354 On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:27 pm

i.ve seen plenty of coyotes over the years... this was not a coyote.. if its a hybrid...then its mostly wolve by fur color and top/ side markings of fur, not beige, but not gray.. light amber/whitish color plus it was head up not head down like most coyotes do when out browsing for prey. There are lots of sheep in the area where it was, just over ridge, and many more sheep at other farmettes in the same local.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:27 pm

Wolf works for me Bill. With all the building that has gone on in the Adirondacks over the years, we get occasional bear,wolf & catamount. You're not that much farther south my friend.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:39 pm

freetown fred wrote:Kevin, I believe the point I was trying to make was about killing them just for the sake of killing them--I think anyone that would go into the deep woods unarmed is an ass. I've never seen a sheep flock without at least ONE dog in with them around here --Great Piranese ??? I believe--big long haired white things. Definitely a shame about the 19 yr old, but as you said--the FIRST KNOWN killing--these things been around how long?? hybrid or not--I'm far from saying bazaar behavior on their parts is acceptable --but--we take their land, their food, etc--what could go wrong there??? I've got a friend in Wyoming that does dairy--he is real close to the release of wolves into the wild & has no problems because he takes preventive measures-- Put me in a position where a wolf, coyote, bear, catamount, hybrid whatever threatens my space---oh yea, it's dead, but I know where I live & it ain't the suburbs. Is that like my cars bigger then your car ;)



Every so many yrs the coyotes move back here in big numbers. Lost a barn cat to one about 5yrs ago. I consider it population control. I don't mind them around in small numbers but don't want to see them multiply too easily. I consider them varmints. They get near my home and I have a chance they get shot. They stay in the woods I don't usually bother them.
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:19 pm

And varmints is exactly what they are Dave--post is right on---OMG, did I just say right on????? :bang: toothy
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