Murder in D.C.

Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:01 am

This country has already been beaten by terrorists & long before that we were beaten by the races so now it appears we will go back to the industrialists except without the industry. Here most are blaming the cops (who may be wrong) but few seem to be saying hey, just maybe she should have stopped when given an order to do so it could may well be a case of suicide by cop. How the hell is a cop supposed to know what someone's personal problems are or intent is in a few seconds time? Think about the times we live in & the area that they work, they survive by being prepared for a worse case scenario each & every time. It's sad but it's the times we live in.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Sting On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:24 pm

Seriously????????

You drive your car at my legs (that's deadly force)

I will defend myself with deadly force! No questions NO regrets
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rigar On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:02 pm

Sting wrote:Seriously????????

You drive your car at my legs (that's deadly force)

I will defend myself with deadly force! No questions NO regrets


...finally- someone gets it

... I certainly don't condone the police shooting somebody however-
... what more do you need to make it justifiable?
if she had actually killed a Secret Service agent or a cop....hmmm or an innocent bystander or pedestrian... then would this conversation be different?
... yes I know she had a child in the car and maybe they should have seen that... but the baby in the car does not give her or anyone else a free pass .... but it is unfortunate that any of this happened
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: DieselBob On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:23 pm

Sting wrote:Seriously????????

You drive your car at my legs (that's deadly force)

I will defend myself with deadly force! No questions NO regrets

Thank You.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:20 pm

The DC police can say they went home safe at least. Our police forces have become so militarized it is scarey. The officer that went speeding through and hit the barriers then spinning out of control was just as much a menace.
Bad decisions, Bad shoot. The car was black so maybe they mistook it for an assault vehicle. The child will now grow up with no mom and probably stuck in the system.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:23 pm

Sting wrote:Seriously????????

You drive your car at my legs (that's deadly force)

I will defend myself with deadly force! No questions NO regrets



No offense with the vehicles they have access to down there. There was no reason to put anyone's legs near the car or in harms way. Fact is they panicked and murdered a troubled woman who was seriously confused.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:30 pm

whistlenut wrote:What happened to shooting out the tires first????? I don't understand the panic level I guess. Eight officers could have immobilized that rig pretty quickly, but I don't know their training sequence and don't really need to know. If anyone has ever lived with someone who had Post Partem Depression, they would empathize with the thought process of this woman. Another sad moment in our hurried lives........ No winners, just more confusion......


training is 2 shots to center of mass (body)... If one does it... they are trained to ALL do it (thereby ensuring the viability of justification).
However sad that is... this is whats done.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:19 am

Hard to say 100% from the videos I have seen, but I do think they could have boxed her car in better, especially with that SUV, and prevented any escape. She obviously wasn't armed, and lobbing rounds into a car with an 18 month old baby is DUMB. I have seen police in much worse situations, hand to hand life or death combat, and they still have the presence about them to NOT pull their sidearm. Tasers work well. There are devices to disable vehicles. As many police cars as I saw and a barrier, there is no reason she could not have been pinned and removed. To just light her car up with no regard to anyone else was just a show of force for the world to see. For a minute I thought the video was from Russia...

There was an incident in Brockway last week where a State Trooper was shot in the neck serving a warrant. The 60 year old man that did it eventually killed himself. Those responding knew a brother had been shot and could be possibly dead, and they still showed restraint. The man's son was rushing home from State College and a friend of mine ended up in a high speed pursuit with him. He had no idea if the son was armed or what his plan was. They spiked his tires and foot pursuit ensued. No shots fired. They tased him and took him into custody. They used their heads.

Anyone remember this? http://nation.time.com/2013/09/09/107-y ... -standoff/

He was 107. Eventually he was going to take a nap. Did they really need to storm the castle and shoot him to death?

It is all extremely scary. Like 100s of officers going house to house doing illegal searches in Boston...the message is being sent. We are hearing it loud and clear.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:57 am

I would say that if someone is shooting & they tried several times & ways to stop him then yes storm the castle, would someone shot be less shot by an old man than young? Does anyone remember this it's been shown a lot lately http://news.sky.com/story/1150401/polic ... ng-officer Should the cop first ask the ages of other passengers, a list of medications or simply not pull anyone over? The DC area we are talking about is a congested city in real time, & these for the most part aren't regular police, from what I heard many there weren't even considered essential by Congress & were there because they felt it's their duty to protect the very ones playing games & not doing their job. As I asked before did this woman not have any responsibility to obey a lawful order & protect her child & herself?
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:41 am

SH, crazy don't do responsible real well--it's a done deal but handled very poorly--there were options :(
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:46 am

They knew he was an old man. Wait it out. If it takes 24 hours, wait it out. Why put more officers in harms way to take out a 107 year old man? My dad is 79 and naps 5 times a day. It didn't work so well in Pittsburgh a few years ago when they stormed the castle on that nut job with the AK. He killed 3 of them before they finally took him into custody and now he is living off your dime at a tune of $35,000 a year.

Sam you are against an armed citizen pulling his weapon in a crowded movie theater but you support gunfire at a moving car on busy streets? I guess police are better trained to shoot with people around and not hit them? Oh wait, didn't they just light some dude up on the streets of NYC and hit couple bystanders? After the man was struck by a car?? http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/justice/t ... index.html oh wait a minute, that is ok because they are cops. Let an armed citizen shoot and they are going to jail.

If someone crashed their car into my fence, do I have the right to shoot their car up? Just wondering. I realize if a car is coming at a cop he has every right to defend himself. However, that isn't where she died. It was after that happened that they took her out. My opinion is, she is unarmed and has a baby in the car. Get her stopped, slap the *censored* out of her, and get her the help she needs.

This will not further the current leaders popularity. It just makes him look like a thug.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:10 am

Klook, I'll have to try & find the clip where I hear gunfire anywhere but in the area right by the barricades, these are not your normal police if you think your or my house is going to have the same protection your nuts.( at least not mine) Just to ask how many minutes was this whole thing from start to finish, how many opportunities were there to throw out stop strips, keep in mind that DC is a series of circles with several roads coming off of each & how far ahead of a speeding vehicle does another car have to be? I'll still ask you why she has no responsibility for her actions? If it's because of mental problems how is someone to know that? In reality every illegal action is a result of either a mental lapse or belief that you can get away with something & not get caught. The whole thing is unfortunate & perhaps could have been different but is that in real time with adrenalin rushing or hours & days later when information comes out?
Just wondering how much advanced notice they had of an unarmed crazy woman coming to peacefully chat with the POTUS or any other official & I guess the clear glass trunk lid helped them know there were no pressure cookers for a WH luncheon.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:41 am

http://abcnews.go.com/US/miriam-carey-c ... d=20465157

Watch the video and see the important quote at the very end. What sacrifice they make. :mad:
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:38 pm

In 2009 or 10, the year escapes me now, PA state workers went over a month with no pay. We still all went to work every single day and did our jobs. That includes the PA State Police and us lowly prison workers. Yes, once the budget was passed we got hefty checks to catch us back up, but it still happened, and could happen every year. We still do our jobs. I never missed a day of work while I wasn't getting paid. I could have sicked out the whole month but I didn't. I did my J.O.B. because that is what I was hired to do.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:26 pm

I understand that a lot of people will not get checks for a while. But it just seemed tasteless that the point made at the end had nothing to do about the woman who was murdered. But they made sure that everyone knew that the police did it without pay. What heros!
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