Murder in D.C.

Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Cap On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:26 pm

Where did she get the money or credit approval for that high end luxury car? That'd be my question? Had to be a $50K car...
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:59 pm

Here is an interesting take on this from a libertarian perspective:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/10/robert-wenzel/the-execution-of-miriam-carey/
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:06 pm

lsayre wrote:Here is an interesting take on this from a libertarian perspective:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/10/robert-wenzel/the-execution-of-miriam-carey/



Pretty much sums it up.

It should be the Govt needs to fear to people. Not the other way around. This emperor scares the *censored* out of me.
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:16 pm

Klook, I'll have to try & find the clip where I hear gunfire anywhere but in the area right by the barricades, these are not your normal police if you think your or my house is going to have the same protection your nuts.( at least not mine) Just to ask how many minutes was this whole thing from start to finish, how many opportunities were there to throw out stop strips, keep in mind that DC is a series of circles with several roads coming off of each & how far ahead of a speeding vehicle does another car have to be? I'll still ask you why she has no responsibility for her actions? If it's because of mental problems how is someone to know that? In reality every illegal action is a result of either a mental lapse or belief that you can get away with something & not get caught. The whole thing is unfortunate & perhaps could have been different but is that in real time with adrenalin rushing or hours & days later when information comes out?
Just wondering how much advanced notice they had of an unarmed crazy woman coming to peacefully chat with the POTUS or any other official & I guess the clear glass trunk lid helped them know there were no pressure cookers for a WH luncheon.


You have me on the brain me thinks Sam, I have not commented on this post at all. I have been watching others say what I think.

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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:46 pm

Sorry about that Klook, you & RW become pretty much interchangeable at times. It's easy to have others say what you think on this site for you it's like thoughts & for me well they just know what I really mean even if it isn't what I said. :roll: :lol:
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:55 pm

I figured that Sam, and I am honored to be compared to Rwalker.....thanks.

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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:16 am

samhill wrote:Klook, I'll have to try & find the clip where I hear gunfire anywhere but in the area right by the barricades, these are not your normal police if you think your or my house is going to have the same protection your nuts.( at least not mine) Just to ask how many minutes was this whole thing from start to finish, how many opportunities were there to throw out stop strips, keep in mind that DC is a series of circles with several roads coming off of each & how far ahead of a speeding vehicle does another car have to be? I'll still ask you why she has no responsibility for her actions? If it's because of mental problems how is someone to know that? In reality every illegal action is a result of either a mental lapse or belief that you can get away with something & not get caught. The whole thing is unfortunate & perhaps could have been different but is that in real time with adrenalin rushing or hours & days later when information comes out?
Just wondering how much advanced notice they had of an unarmed crazy woman coming to peacefully chat with the POTUS or any other official & I guess the clear glass trunk lid helped them know there were no pressure cookers for a WH luncheon.


I am just going strictly by what has been written. Gun fire at the initial impact point, then she was finished off 50 blocks away or something to that effect. I don't think there is any video at the second location?

The little bit of video I did see had the car against the barrier, a police cruiser to our left, a police cruiser behind her, and a police SUV to our right. Now, I am no police operations genius, but if I were calling the shots, both cruisers would have pinned her quarter panels and that big SUV would have been right behind her, bumper to bumper. She would have been wedged against the barrier with no ability to spin around and escape. And to get out of your vehicle and approach a car that isn't secure is nuts. Pin her in, then get out and secure her. Sure, she could have had a bomb in the car, but for that matter the 100,000 police stops made every day across America could face the same issue. Part of the job. Just like every time I walk inside the fence I could get stuck with a piece of plexi-glass or the metal from a clip board. Accepted risks of the job.

Sure she has responsibility for her actions. We all do. Including police. They have to be better then us because that is what they are trained and paid to do. Take the Pittsburgh incident, he killed 3 Pittsburgh police and they still arrested him. They didn't kill him. That is restraint. Could I do it? Hell no. I tell my police buddies all the time that I would be tasing the sh*t out of people! LOL! But they are paid to protect and serve, even the bad guys. We actually have more right to handle business then they do.

How do we know she didn't just wreck her car, panic, and flee?? We don't, and we never will. I don't think it is too much to ask for police to show some restraint unless bullets are flying at their heads or a car is coming right at them, hell bent on running them over. Spike strips and other devices disable cars. Bean bag rounds and rubber bullets work well and are for the most part non-lethal.

So answer my question: you don't support an armed citizen pulling his weapon in a theater, but you support police officers shooting at moving cars or suspects on crowded NYC streets?? I think my accuracy is right up there with police, if they do, in fact, only hit 33% of the time. The guy in NYC put his hand up like a gun and got shot 3 times. What if an armed citizen did that? We would be prosecuted and go to jail for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon!
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:18 am

KLook wrote:I figured that Sam, and I am honored to be compared to Rwalker.....thanks.

Kevin


Thanks Kevin. Great minds think alike. 8-)
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:23 pm

Rwalker wrote:
samhill wrote:Klook, I'll have to try & find the clip where I hear gunfire anywhere but in the area right by the barricades, these are not your normal police if you think your or my house is going to have the same protection your nuts.( at least not mine) Just to ask how many minutes was this whole thing from start to finish, how many opportunities were there to throw out stop strips, keep in mind that DC is a series of circles with several roads coming off of each & how far ahead of a speeding vehicle does another car have to be? I'll still ask you why she has no responsibility for her actions? If it's because of mental problems how is someone to know that? In reality every illegal action is a result of either a mental lapse or belief that you can get away with something & not get caught. The whole thing is unfortunate & perhaps could have been different but is that in real time with adrenalin rushing or hours & days later when information comes out?
Just wondering how much advanced notice they had of an unarmed crazy woman coming to peacefully chat with the POTUS or any other official & I guess the clear glass trunk lid helped them know there were no pressure cookers for a WH luncheon.


I am just going strictly by what has been written. Gun fire at the initial impact point, then she was finished off 50 blocks away or something to that effect. I don't think there is any video at the second location?

The little bit of video I did see had the car against the barrier, a police cruiser to our left, a police cruiser behind her, and a police SUV to our right. Now, I am no police operations genius, but if I were calling the shots, both cruisers would have pinned her quarter panels and that big SUV would have been right behind her, bumper to bumper. She would have been wedged against the barrier with no ability to spin around and escape. And to get out of your vehicle and approach a car that isn't secure is nuts. Pin her in, then get out and secure her. Sure, she could have had a bomb in the car, but for that matter the 100,000 police stops made every day across America could face the same issue. Part of the job. Just like every time I walk inside the fence I could get stuck with a piece of plexi-glass or the metal from a clip board. Accepted risks of the job.

Sure she has responsibility for her actions. We all do. Including police. They have to be better then us because that is what they are trained and paid to do. Take the Pittsburgh incident, he killed 3 Pittsburgh police and they still arrested him. They didn't kill him. That is restraint. Could I do it? Hell know. I tell me police buddies all the time that I would be tasing the sh*t out of people! LOL! But they are paid to protect and serve, even the bad guys. We actually have more right to handle business then they do.

How do we know she didn't just wreck her car, panic, and flee?? We don't, and we never will. I don't think it is too much to ask for police to show some restraint unless bullets are flying at their heads or a car is coming right at them, hell bent on running them over. Spike strips and other devices disable cars. Bean bag rounds and rubber bullets work well and are for the most part non-lethal.

So answer my question: you don't support an armed citizen pulling his weapon in a theater, but you support police officers shooting at moving cars or suspects on crowded NYC streets?? I think my accuracy is right up there with police, if they do, in fact, only hit 33% of the time. The guy in NYC put his hand up like a gun and got shot 3 times. What if an armed citizen did that? We would be prosecuted and go to jail for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon!



At least no dogs were harmed. And the police all went home safe.


Seriously why is there no uproar for this. That woman was troubled, yes. Did they know what her issue was? No. But they put themselves in harms way not to sure why. Like stated with the vehicles they had they should have secured the car first. Then secured the woman. I see no form of restraint at all from the officers involved in the shooting. Someone should be investigating this. Or in the words of Hillary. "What difference does it make"
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: plumb-r On: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:53 pm

Of course there is video of almost every second of this and of course we as the public will not see 1/10th of it. If we can't find out about Bengazi you don't think we are going to get the truth here do you?
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: Davian On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:05 pm

Dirty Steve wrote:Have not seen any type of response from the Pres on this subject. I wonder if it will include his famous "She could have been my daughter....." Mental health is a huge problem in this country. Pray and cross your fingers for any person suffering and their familes who struggle with the fall out. Because she was unarmed maybe a new light could be shed upon the real problem. They'll have a hard time spinning this one. Oh, what ever happened to spike strips? :cry:


Hmm...maybe they shouldn't have shut down all the mental health facilities in the 80s...eh?
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Re: Murder in D.C.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Hmmm, I'm curios if this sick woman was surrounded by 10 or 12 cops and only one cop pulled the trigger, would the others say " :wtf: " or was his gang mentality and these boys got a chance blow the dust off a couple clips?
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