samhill wrote:Klook, I'll have to try & find the clip where I hear gunfire anywhere but in the area right by the barricades, these are not your normal police if you think your or my house is going to have the same protection your nuts.( at least not mine) Just to ask how many minutes was this whole thing from start to finish, how many opportunities were there to throw out stop strips, keep in mind that DC is a series of circles with several roads coming off of each & how far ahead of a speeding vehicle does another car have to be? I'll still ask you why she has no responsibility for her actions? If it's because of mental problems how is someone to know that? In reality every illegal action is a result of either a mental lapse or belief that you can get away with something & not get caught. The whole thing is unfortunate & perhaps could have been different but is that in real time with adrenalin rushing or hours & days later when information comes out?
Just wondering how much advanced notice they had of an unarmed crazy woman coming to peacefully chat with the POTUS or any other official & I guess the clear glass trunk lid helped them know there were no pressure cookers for a WH luncheon.
I am just going strictly by what has been written. Gun fire at the initial impact point, then she was finished off 50 blocks away or something to that effect. I don't think there is any video at the second location?
The little bit of video I did see had the car against the barrier, a police cruiser to our left, a police cruiser behind her, and a police SUV to our right. Now, I am no police operations genius, but if I were calling the shots, both cruisers would have pinned her quarter panels and that big SUV would have been right behind her, bumper to bumper. She would have been wedged against the barrier with no ability to spin around and escape. And to get out of your vehicle and approach a car that isn't secure is nuts. Pin her in, then get out and secure her. Sure, she could have had a bomb in the car, but for that matter the 100,000 police stops made every day across America could face the same issue. Part of the job. Just like every time I walk inside the fence I could get stuck with a piece of plexi-glass or the metal from a clip board. Accepted risks of the job.
Sure she has responsibility for her actions. We all do. Including police. They have to be better then us because that is what they are trained and paid to do. Take the Pittsburgh incident, he killed 3 Pittsburgh police and they still arrested him. They didn't kill him. That is restraint. Could I do it? Hell no. I tell my police buddies all the time that I would be tasing the sh*t out of people! LOL! But they are paid to protect and serve, even the bad guys. We actually have more right to handle business then they do.
How do we know she didn't just wreck her car, panic, and flee?? We don't, and we never will. I don't think it is too much to ask for police to show some restraint unless bullets are flying at their heads or a car is coming right at them, hell bent on running them over. Spike strips and other devices disable cars. Bean bag rounds and rubber bullets work well and are for the most part non-lethal.
So answer my question: you don't support an armed citizen pulling his weapon in a theater, but you support police officers shooting at moving cars or suspects on crowded NYC streets?? I think my accuracy is right up there with police, if they do, in fact, only hit 33% of the time. The guy in NYC put his hand up like a gun and got shot 3 times. What if an armed citizen did that? We would be prosecuted and go to jail for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon!