New Heating system?

New Heating system?

PostBy: mcguirehg On: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:57 pm

I've been lurking around for some time. I currently have a DVC 500 in my home that I use to supplement my oil heat. I have no access to natural gas. I will need to upgrade or replace my oil burner shortly and need a plan of action. I was thinking about replacing the boiler with a coal boiler, but was told by several people that may not be the best option, cost wise. We do pay about 300 per ton of coal on Long Island. It was suggested that a propane boiler be a good option ( I don't recall the type of propane, some high efficient system) instead of the coal. I was going towards the EFM. thoughts?
mcguirehg
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520
Coal Size/Type: rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Herman DVC 500 & EFM 520

Re: new system?

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:00 pm

How about a liesure line wl110 (coal stoker) with the oil burner for resale or insurance reasons. Friend has one and they get alot of respect on the forum. Plus we have liesure line reps as members. I'm sure others will give you some ideas. Propane. Another fuel subject to manipulation. Coal has been trading steady now for months. The EFMs are nice though. Welcome to the forum, good luck.
DePippo79
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Glenwood Modern Oak 114, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.

Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:58 am

There is a "Fuel Comparison Calculator" at the top of the page that can help you sort out the economics associated with different fuels.

If you do go with a coal boiler I'm a big fan of the EFM's. We heated our last house with an EFM 900 and heat our current house with an EFM conversion stoker firing a boiler that was already here.

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

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Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: Berlin On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:28 am

you'll pay more for high eff. propane than std. efficiency heating oil. (bear in mind propane has about half the btus (heat) of heating oil so you have to consider that when looking at the price per gallon- that's how the co's fool a lot of people) The heating companies are really pushing propane as it's a bigger money maker for them than oil. propane, on average, vs. heating oil, is more $$ per btu in the past, present, and future. The companies pushing propane over oil don't have your best interests at heart.

Use the excellent fuel cost calculator on this site that was already mentioned.

having said all that, you'll save a considerable amount of money w/ coal even at $300/ton now and into the future. Coal w/ oil backup is the way to go.

What's the problem w/ your current oil boiler btw?
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

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PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:50 am

Also, High Efficency doesn't mean it will last many years and seldom need repairs. ;)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:55 am

Propane is HORRIBLE! I hate it... your going to be a hostage with that stuff (any propane uses know what im talking about). Id stick with Oil before I ever went to propane :mad3:
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

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PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:11 am

Even at $300 per ton for anthracite a coal boiler would cost you noticeably less than propane or oil.

I'm clearly biased, but I really like the AHS Coal Gun boilers. Highly efficient and they run with as little fuss as can be had in a coal boiler. About the only task one has in setting one up for optimal operation is choosing the right ash grate motor activation temperature for the coal you are burning. After achieving that, it is smooth sailing all the way. They can keep a fire through power failures longer than nigh on any stoking coal boiler and recover when the power is restored. They likely have the fewest moving parts of any self stoking boiler (since they stoke by a combination of gravity feed and automated ashing alone). They will experience occasional puff-backs (like a hand fired stove or boiler) if the selected ashing temperature is way off, but once that is dialed out they are great. And now they come with a 20 year warranty. They also have available ASME 'H' stamps, and UL ratings.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

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PostBy: Dennis On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:22 am

DePippo79 wrote:How about a liesure line wl110 (coal stoker) with the oil burner for resale or insurance reasons. Friend has one and they get alot of respect on the forum. Plus we have liesure line reps as members. I'm sure others will give you some ideas. Propane. Another fuel subject to manipulation. Coal has been trading steady now for months. The EFMs are nice though. Welcome to the forum, good luck.

The LL110 can use oil,nat gas,propane as a back up to the coal boiler
Dennis
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: AHS/WOC55-multi-fuel/wood,oil,coal
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/stove size

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PostBy: cabinover On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:49 am

McGiever wrote:Also, High Efficency doesn't mean it will last many years and seldom need repairs. ;)


As a guy that works for a propane company I can attest to this statement. I've seen high efficiency furnaces that were not all that old need complete heat exchanger assemblies changed from corrosion. I can't tell you how much that would cost but it took us around 3-4 hours to do two furnaces, plus parts.

The high efficiency comes from scrubbing more heat from the exhaust before it's expelled. The downside of this is the condensate is very acidic at that point.
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.

Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:24 am

cabinover wrote:
McGiever wrote:Also, High Efficency doesn't mean it will last many years and seldom need repairs. ;)


As a guy that works for a propane company I can attest to this statement. I've seen high efficiency furnaces that were not all that old need complete heat exchanger assemblies changed from corrosion. I can't tell you how much that would cost but it took us around 3-4 hours to do two furnaces, plus parts.

The high efficiency comes from scrubbing more heat from the exhaust before it's expelled. The downside of this is the condensate is very acidic at that point.


This sorta eats into all the fuel costs savings that supposedly one would be receiving...dealers and installers win in this situation. :mad:
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

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PostBy: paulsferg On: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:14 pm

efm great choice.i bought a reconditioned boiler from scrapper 5 years ago.only wish i had done it sooner.best money i ever spent.
paulsferg
 
Stove/Furnace Make: efm520
Stove/Furnace Model: efm520

Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: Tull On: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:28 pm

A propane system has its benefits, but low cost is not one of them. Propane tends to (generally) follow heating oil price trends.
Tull
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS-S130
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Anthracite
Other Heating: Oil for standby

Re: New Heating system?

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:35 am

In your situation I recommend the Leisure Line WL-110 Dual Fuel Stoker Boiler. The cost of this new boiler would be less than a new Peerless or Weil-McLain boiler for example. The added benefit besides quality and efficiency is that it burns oil or coal. If you do decide to go with a boring old oil boiler, take a look at the oil boilers made by Axeman-Anderson, who coincidentally makes the boiler section for the Leisure Line WL-110. 8-)
EarthWindandFire
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Leisure Line Lil' Heater.
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer model 75.
Other Heating: Oil and Natural Gas.

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