Pellets the new fuel.

Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:30 pm

I just found out that a local farmer has started a switch grass pellet plant & they can be used for either fuel or bedding, that explains why so many fields of switch grass around here all of a sudden. I'm guessing they must have the cost down fairly low to make it worth the effort.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:41 pm

switch grass PELLETS--I can't even imagine that?????????????????????????????????????????? From hard wood to switch grass???
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:16 pm

Sam switchgrass is planted in CRP land, the government will pay land owners to take there land out of cultivation and plant switchgrass.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:55 pm

carlherrnstein wrote:Sam switchgrass is planted in CRP land, the government will pay land owners to take there land out of cultivation and plant switchgrass.


Sooooooo is this as non-profitable as growing corn for ethanol?
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:23 pm

With all the land that weyrhouser(sp), & Georgia Pacific own up there & the Alpha logging concept they tend to follow, I'm sure sustainability would be up to them


Ahhahahahah!! Stop it or both coalnewbie and I will crack a rib!! Maine is nothing but a jackfir thicket. It looks like a lot of trees to ANYONE not from Maine. I have been over hundreds of miles of backcountry in Maine and it all looks the same. Go on into Baxter and look around, then spend a few weeks traveling the lesser used roads and see some country from a dirt road perspective. It looks green from the interstate.

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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:56 pm

Just passing it along, it seems Canada is well into production as well. Like I said the local guy here is the one making the investment & I'm guessing that from the amount of grasses being planted it must be more profitable than what corn or soy they can get off marginal fields. http://www.goerie.com/article/20120228/ ... llet-plant
http://www.reap-canada.com/bio_and_climate_3_2.htm
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:33 pm

Thanx for the link sh--I'll be damned--
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:54 pm

Kevin, I can only speak of the 60's & 70's when I did live in MT Vernon, Maine. We often hunted GP & weyrhouser( sp. again LOL) land & it was far from a jackfir thicket--if they have screwed it up, that saddens me :( I do know that the Mt Vernon, Kents Hill area is still pretty pristine. I sometimes wonder why anybody still lives in Maine when I hear you talk about it, but then I look at the pix of Freddies camp & I remember:)
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With all the land that weyrhouser(sp), & Georgia Pacific own up there & the Alpha logging concept they tend to follow, I'm sure sustainability would be up to them


Ahhahahahah!! Stop it or both coalnewbie and I will crack a rib!! Maine is nothing but a jackfir thicket. It looks like a lot of trees to ANYONE not from Maine. I have been over hundreds of miles of backcountry in Maine and it all looks the same. Go on into Baxter and look around, then spend a few weeks traveling the lesser used roads and see some country from a dirt road perspective. It looks green from the interstate.

Kevin
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:12 pm

Well,Being Honest,All I remember is that in the 80's,I had a Mini Rex Rabbit named "Nibbles".....Nibbles manufactured a ton of pellets. I used them in my smaller gardens of the time. They worked well in that capacity,but I wouldn't put'em in a stove.....And that's all I've got to say about that... :bag:
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:35 pm

Well that sure cleared it up for me Bob. :whistle: :clap: toothy
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:45 pm

Fred,I'm here for 'ya,man ! :doh:
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:16 am

I have said why people live there and what kind it attracts. Freddy's camp is in the beauty strip just like all the rest. The Maine you remember is gone....just the remoteness to some degree is still there. But with every passing year there is a new power line and gravel road chopping it up into smaller pieces. The far Western and North Western areas are remote, but they have been cut over repeatedly. They are only remote because of limited access by private owners. And most people do not want to go that far out into the woods. Might see a bear you know. When you look at Google Earth, it looks like miles and miles of trees and forest. But when you get on the ground it is miles and miles of planted pine and such all about 25 ft. tall at best. It is not a natural forest but a monoculture and as such is nothing like the old forest of Maine. It is a farm, a tree plantation. And I have said it before in this forum, they are not TIMBER companies anymore. It takes too long to grow a real tree in Maines poor soil and cold weather. They will harvest each section in about 30 years as this maximizes BIOMASS per acre. The "logging" days are gone.

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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:07 am

Hey KL, please don't do an expose of the Hudson Valley. If we apply your brand of ruthless logic I would run screaming from the place. I kinda know it stinks but I prefer to live in a dream world. When do you do an analysis of life in Chattanooga, Tenn? It's saving grace is that it is near NEPA an that is very important these days but I struggle to find another reason.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:12 am

Thanx Kevin, ya know, when that ALPHA cutting started back when by the large logging/paper companies, I was kinda skeptical & you unfortunately just described it--That's a shame :( I remember hunting GP land in Penobscot County & you wanted to be real aware that there were bear all over that area--yep---SAD
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: katman On: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:03 am

Michaelanthony, I bought a Chevy Volt last year :D as my daily commuter, replacing my 30 year love with VW diesels. After nearly 13,000 miles I've burned 24.7 gallons of gasoline. Electric charges seem to be running about $10 a week. Really feels good not to be pumping fuel and sending my dollars into the global oil market. Plus, the Volt is a great driver and I can now access the HOV lanes.

I would have hooked up the excellent EFM boiler I bought from Scrapper if I could have made the numbers work, but when one local supplier ceased handling coal I crunched the numbers again and decided to sell the EFM. Also, my spouse wasn't keen on handling coal while I was traveling, so the pellet boiler got me off oil. On a BTU count, pellets lose to coal. But I'm saving a bundle compared to what I was paying for oil and propane to fire my boiler and fireplace. And my house is nice and warm during the winter.

I agree we will have to see what happens as the pellet/biomass industries develop. In my opinion, the anticoal people out there are just plain stupid, as are the rabid urban environmentalists who believe putting high taxes on gas and diesel is the way to get us off the internal combustion engine. We have a big country and everyone doesn't want to live in a city, so people need reasonably priced fuel to get to work and live. And until we find something better that's reasonbly priced, we need to make sure coal and our other domestic resources remain among our options for heating homes and powering the grid.
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