Pellets the new fuel.

Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: Don On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:37 am

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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:48 am

Makes sense in Maine I suppose. When in Rome :blah:
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:49 am

Can tell government is involved. God forbid they install a coal boiler, and save 30% minimum in heating costs over pellets. :roll:
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:52 am

I'm as much a coal nut as the next guy, but at least they will be putting their money back into Maine in a long drawn out kinda way. I'm reading that coal is far from cheap up there.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:03 am

Back in 1970's and 80's, many of the municipal buildings north of Augusta were converted to coal. Lot of Van Werts...big boys. Now 33 years later I don't know of any running. Times change, and so do the idiots that make the decisions about what type of fuel to use. The 'new pellet' technology is sure better than feeding the middle east, and for them, it will probably work out just fine. I sure hope so!!!! I like the 'keep it local' idea any way you can.

Coal is still strong in Maine, but politicians have unique pressures placed upon them, so they are inclined to not bite the hand that feeds them.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: katman On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:08 am

Right. I'm not interested in starting a big debate on this, but they grow plenty of trees in Maine and don't mine much coal so shipping has to be figured in to the cost. I still use a coal burner in my barn for some supplemental heat, but I decided to go with a pellet boiler for the house because where I am in Maryland, pellets are about $209/ton. The local coal supplier has bags at about $8.00 each. I could hook up my trailer (holds one ton) and drive 2-3 hours one way to buy coal in bulk, but my time has a price too. So, I think both pellets and coal are fine. Both can heat our homes, sustain USA workers and keep some of our money here.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:15 am

katman wrote:Right. I'm not interested in starting a big debate on this, but they grow plenty of trees in Maine and don't mine much coal so shipping has to be figured in to the cost. I still use a coal burner in my barn for some supplemental heat, but I decided to go with a pellet boiler for the house because where I am in Maryland, pellets are about $209/ton. The local coal supplier has bags at about $8.00 each. I could hook up my trailer (holds one ton) and drive 2-3 hours one way to buy coal in bulk, but my time has a price too. So, I think both pellets and coal are fine. Both can heat our homes, sustain USA workers and keep some of our money here.


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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:21 am

$209 a ton .. yes. BUT ... do the math against coal again factoring in the BTU differences .... just sayin.

Wait ... $8.00 a bag??? That's $480 a ton!! Never heard of a price that high for coal in my life!! :shock:
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:36 am

Sounds like its a good deal for them. Anything is better than the price gouging of oil.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: mattcoalburner On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:39 am

SMITTY wrote:$209 a ton .. yes. BUT ... do the math against coal again factoring in the BTU differences .... just sayin.

Wait ... $8.00 a bag??? That's $480 a ton!! Never heard of a price that high for coal in my life!! :shock:



If they are 50lb bags it $320 per ton.... and if they were 40 lbs it would be $400 NOT 480
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:41 am

I'd hope they're 50 lbs. at $8 each! :o

Yeah your right - I was thinking per pallet. Still no bargain there ...
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:51 am

So I suppose pellet in Maine and all points North (all 58 states). Now for the real issue sustainability. Boston started to use power from biomass stripping out forests in Maine so my question is how many pellets for how long? That is not just a calc on how many trees there are in Maine (there are plenty) but how much can we ramp up the pellet industry before supply is an issue. Every resource has it's limits.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:55 am

With all the land that weyrhouser(sp), & Georgia Pacific own up there & the Alpha logging concept they tend to follow, I'm sure sustainability would be up to them
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:17 pm

I think whatever works and is affordable is fine. Some folks just plain love to work with wood. They love the adventure, the smell of a Birch, Cherry, Maple, Oak, Ash, Poplar.....God Bless them! ...then the saws...splitters, tractor/excavators/skid steers......the stacking, re-stacking, killing the ants, snake skins, bark all over the place.....(did I forget the smashed up pick-up bodies...and the Emergency Room trips?????)
.....and now on to pellets. Clean, compact, affordable, little ash so easy to clean-up behind.....a self starter burning device......but the fan noise......the computer boards......the augers...

Coal: fire it up, stay warm as long as you remember to take care of the appliance and NO 'Freakin' Creosote to burn your house to the ground.

If it is the worst we have to worry about, then let the pellets live their life-cycle.......keeps the forests thinned and cleaned up, makes local jobs, and except in EXTREME cases, not one swinging dick that says he and his friends want to KILL YOU and your way of life....... Never met and coal person who threatened me or my way of life either....
I am only too happy to keep the local economy fired up and make jobs and lifestyles that I can relate to.

Now, that Ethanol.......stop any time you like, AND make more Cheerios and grain products. Another BAAAAAAAAD idea from good ole Uncle Sam.
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Re: Pellets the new fuel.

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:38 pm

This is my back yard and simply a feel good story. The Obama printing press at it's finest. The American Recovery and Revitalization act of 2009 so NO WAY coal was even in the conversation. Then at the bottom of the article Mr. Mclaughlin states that even if pellets cost more than fuel we are still ahead of the game. Typical rose coloured glasses at work. Does anyone remember the cost of pellets a few yrs. ago, they went crazy because of the demand.
Why not purchase an American made boiler? That will boost the economy. Reminds me of buying foreign electric cars and plugging them in! Horse hockey!
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