Exercise

Re: Exercise

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:40 am

waldo lemieux wrote:Im not takin any chances,I do six sets of 12oz curls every night :flex:


I'm on the same workout plan as Waldo only I tough it out often for 9 or more sets. Grandfather on my mothers side was 99+ grandmom was 91. Not so lucky on my fathers side. All died early from heart problems. all were also heavy smokers. I don't use tobaco.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:00 am

I will be 36 this Monday. Still a young buck. But I have witnessed many people younger then me miss months of work due to bad backs, knees, shoulders, etc. You would think I work in a factory as many people are out on disability. As I type this today I have zero back pain, knee pain, shoulder pain, or the like.

I once went to a chiropractor that worked on Muhammad Ali in his prime. He had all kinds of contraptions and at the time I was preparing for my last powerlifting meet, IPA Worlds, so I was looking for any legal edge I could get. He was working on my spine and commented on how the muscles that run up my spine are so thick that he could not physically feel my spine. He said as long as I continued to workout, I would be fine. If I stopped, I was going to stiffen up like a mummy. Fast forward to last year when I had a doctor imposed year off. Instead of stiffing up, I did intense bouts of yoga to keep myself in some sort of shape. Back still felt great.

At 36 I can still do this for reps:
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This is a 260 pound concrete ball that I lift from the ground to as high as I can get it. Zero back issues.

If anyone has noticed, I have not spoken once about longevity, health, etc. You can workout and eat right your entire life and you might gain 3-4 years onto your life span. Maybe. Or you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Personally, I like being able to lift my heavy ground safe out of the back of a U-Haul and walk it all the way around the back of my house and through the back door. The dolly never got any use. I also like being able to hold my own when the situation calls for it, or a huge log on my shoulder out of the woods and into the yard to cut it up, or flip a 1100 pound tire just for the fun of it.
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We all have our quirks I guess. One thing is for sure, life is a lot easier when you can lift pretty much everything you need to, run a few miles without breaking much of a sweat, and carry heavy stuff. Remember, when the sh*t hits the fan, the weak are going to get eaten. ;)
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:42 am

But I am one good injury away from going into elderly decline like everyone else.


and that is the main secret of an active old age, try really hard not to injure yourself. Old men falloff of ladders or fallout of trees or lift things that are way too heavy or trip over the cat. So spend your time thinking that you are old and china fragile and lose the testosterone. It's mostly gone anyway so what the hell. Women also... they are one fractured hip away from a sedentary life in a wheel chair and then to die early as the body atrophies. Rheumatism can be genetic but is more often diet..... So it's diet, diet, diet as genetics you can't change.

Ask anybody and they all say but I eat good. So here is todays - clue -it's really, really hard these days to eat even half way good, our hardest time in history for this. We should start a nutrition forum, you would be stunned. It's a coal board so perhaps it's not the place.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:20 pm

I grew up on a farm, so eating good was whole foods. Whole butter, meat that wasn't pumped full of hormones, whole milk, vegetables we grew in the 3 huge gardens. My dad still eats this way and just turned 79. Active as can be, still installing floors, building cabinets, putting on siding, etc. He also cross country skis all winter long and uses an old school ski machine during the non-snow months.

Tough to eat this way anymore. Most things you stick down your neck are covered in pesticides, pumped full of drugs, and full of all kinds of nasty stuff that gives teenagers cancer. :shock:
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:23 pm

Exactly right on the eating. I just came back from the Chattanooga Octoberfest day at the open air market they have each fall. Ran into a flim flam man but I bought his product.It is called Chuice. I am going to give it a try and see how my performance is. I am pretty in tune with what I can do as I play very hard and aggressive. I have noted changes in performance depending on my diet and as noted, it is tough to eat well in America today.
Congrats on doing more then most Fred, it seems to be working. I play ball with guys as old as 71 and I am shocked how well they do. It is worth noting that ALL the older people I see playing well are thin and fit.

Kevin

And at 36 years old I could still grab the rim with 2 hands. And I am 5'7". All things decay from birth on.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:37 pm

3yrs ago I started getting that feeling that although I'm not young, I'm not Old either. I read somewhere the gaining and toning muscle was the same at 30 as it was at 70 and some surprising body builders in the +60 age group had only begun weight training 3-4 yrs earlier.

That said...even though I eased into my weight training I still ended up with tendonitis ( left elbow and thumb and right elbow) I continued to work out with fitted wrist guards because the endorphins released during said regimes actually made the pain subside ( I know sounds weird but true). Finally had Cortizone shots 2yrs ago and no longer have any issues. "That being said"....I fully think that using Free Weights vs Machines is the answer because you're not isolating the muscle group so hard and your body flexes more with free weights so you don't so easily injure yourself.

I have Gym membership but I find myself staying home with just my bench, my 65lb easy curl bar and dumb bells and push myself harder and seeing results faster and more productive.

I not only played in the Mens Senior Baseball League I was a manager for 4yrs starting when I was 35 (it's a National 30+ Hardball League). I was close to 200lbs and of course played 1st base, annnnd smoked 1 pack a day. Then quit Baseball to play in the National Professional Paintball League (which is funny because it was then that I played at the Sky Dome in Toronto but not Baseball).

Paintball made me much more aware of weight and endurance...that was the beginning. I quit smoking in 2006, and never looked back...but gained back the weight.

Fast forward to now @ 50, I hang in at 180 +/-2 lbs, gained 4 inches across the chest and 3 inches in the arms. I eat more or less the Mediterranean style of diet and while I admit to partaking in my hobby of Home brewing and Wine making a bit too enthusiastically ...fvk it, gotta do something wrong to offset the balance.

@ Fred...you are always an inspiration, I hope to handle life's darts as well as you do.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:06 pm

Played hard & exercised all my life even so far as to do some power lifting with some friends. Now that I'm older 66 I find that it wasn't so much what I did or didn't do but doing all things in moderation (which I didn't do at first) my replacement knees I attribute to ARMY & football, the rotator cup to thinking I'm not all that old (I can do this) you got to know how to read what your body tells you. Said Goodbye to too many that really took care of themselves & have many around still that never did much more than 16oz curls, I think it's more genetics but helping by taking care of ones self never hurt, it's a crap shoot & you never know which heartbeat will be your last so enjoy, love & laugh. :)
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:03 pm

samhill wrote:Played hard & exercised all my life even so far as to do some power lifting with some friends. Now that I'm older 66 I find that it wasn't so much what I did or didn't do but doing all things in moderation (which I didn't do at first) my replacement knees I attribute to ARMY & football, the rotator cup to thinking I'm not all that old (I can do this) you got to know how to read what your body tells you. Said Goodbye to too many that really took care of themselves & have many around still that never did much more than 16oz curls, I think it's more genetics but helping by taking care of ones self never hurt, it's a crap shoot & you never know which heartbeat will be your last so enjoy, love & laugh. :)


Excellent point Sam, when the OP wrote about "Razor Burning Lungs" I'm thinking, fine for young pup but we all must take a step back and be rational and healthy. I know way too many Runners who pushed themselves to drop from HeaRT FaILURE.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:49 am

I challenge anyone to find me an article that shows exercise harms the body/heart in any way, shape, or form. And I am not talking about marathon running or Ironman Triathlons. I am talking about pushing yourself for 20-60 minutes. Find me some true blue scientific evidence that this harms you.

I have a heart condition. I was one of the lucky few born with it. Before transferring to the Cleveland Clinic and finding a doctor who knew what the hell he was doing, I had an ejection fraction in the low 30s and was considered in heart failure at age 34. Now, thanks to his steady hands, I am in the upper 50s. Oh, and he wants me to continue to workout hard. He is a proponent of weight training and cardio. 8-)
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:57 am

Didn't mean to strike a nerve RW. When you reach a certain age an exercise routine should be Ok'd by your Doctor so as not to injure oneself. Yes I do Cardio as well, usually 20 mins then on to weights 4 days a week.
You 're the one bragging about ripping your Lungs out Cardio and I just mentioned it might not be the best advice for someone else looking to get into shape.

Chill man, bro.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:49 am

36 yo is all?!?! .....hmmmm i remember those bulletproof days......

competed in a triathalon for the fun of it after two weeks of swim prep, hike 20 miles w/ 40 lb pack no sweat, hand split a garage bay of wood with a maul & wedge working off the stress of a job i hated (burned 70% wood to 30% coal in the hand fed), any soreness i did get from stuff wore off in a day or two, eat anything without regard to spiciness.

then in the mid 40's things started to slowly change, be ready for it. mostly with the aches and pains that showed up after doing stuff that used to have no effect and the days it took to recover from that stuff..... now i am careful about what i lift and drag and i make sure my exercise isn't over the top, daily diet includes advil & tums. one of the most upsetting changes is what bacon will do to my heartburn. :( i have a less stressful job and burn all coal so no wood splitting for me...anybody want to buy a maul and set of wedges? even on the coal supply i am setting up a system where no shoveling and no bucket carrying gets coal to my hopper - but i am still carrying out the ashes!

that scientific evidence you seek will be personal experience with floating bone chips in your elbow aggravated by too much shingling on a barn roof or tendonitis from pitching batting practice to 20 15yo's for 2 hours that makes you switch hands to brush your teeth (who knew that could be so hard to do, thankfully i could still wipe right handed!), or the knees that ache so bad ya sleep with a pillow under them after climbing 3 water towers in a day.

enjoy it while you can......talk to me in about 10 - 12 years. ;)
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: jkabdoors On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:54 am

Yeah been there done that exercise thing. Now SEX 5 times a week is enough for me.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:54 pm

Ed.A wrote:Didn't mean to strike a nerve RW. When you reach a certain age an exercise routine should be Ok'd by your Doctor so as not to injure oneself. Yes I do Cardio as well, usually 20 mins then on to weights 4 days a week.
You 're the one bragging about ripping your Lungs out Cardio and I just mentioned it might not be the best advice for someone else looking to get into shape.

Chill man, bro.


You certainly didn't strike a nerve. Whether or not someone exercises and HOW they exercise is their own business. As far as I am concerned, the more people who do not exercise the less competition I have for survival when the sh*t turns bad. What is amusing is how some people have this belief that exercise is bad because a runner died of heart failure. Someone who runs 6-10 hours a day is over doing it. I am talking about getting yourself in some kind of shape so you don't gas out 30 minutes into a life or death situation. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, but then again I am a little off so take it or leave it.

And no, re-read my post, never a brag, simply a "this is a way to get into survival shape" post. I could easily brag, I have lifted more weight in competition then most men do in groups of 3.

titleist1 wrote:36 yo is all?!?! .....hmmmm i remember those bulletproof days......

competed in a triathalon for the fun of it after two weeks of swim prep, hike 20 miles w/ 40 lb pack no sweat, hand split a garage bay of wood with a maul & wedge working off the stress of a job i hated (burned 70% wood to 30% coal in the hand fed), any soreness i did get from stuff wore off in a day or two, eat anything without regard to spiciness.

then in the mid 40's things started to slowly change, be ready for it. mostly with the aches and pains that showed up after doing stuff that used to have no effect and the days it took to recover from that stuff..... now i am careful about what i lift and drag and i make sure my exercise isn't over the top, daily diet includes advil & tums. one of the most upsetting changes is what bacon will do to my heartburn. :( i have a less stressful job and burn all coal so no wood splitting for me...anybody want to buy a maul and set of wedges? even on the coal supply i am setting up a system where no shoveling and no bucket carrying gets coal to my hopper - but i am still carrying out the ashes!

that scientific evidence you seek will be personal experience with floating bone chips in your elbow aggravated by too much shingling on a barn roof or tendonitis from pitching batting practice to 20 15yo's for 2 hours that makes you switch hands to brush your teeth (who knew that could be so hard to do, thankfully i could still wipe right handed!), or the knees that ache so bad ya sleep with a pillow under them after climbing 3 water towers in a day.

enjoy it while you can......talk to me in about 10 - 12 years. ;)


I get the same yap from a lot of "older" folks. My best friend is 46 and trains with weights everyday. Just recently deadlift 630 pounds after having major back surgery from a bad car accident several years ago and surviving the MIRSA infection that damn near killed him post surgery. I have another friend that routinely deadlifts and squats over 700 pounds and he just turned 53. He is in Mississippi with his platoon preparing to deploy to Afghanistan. He can run like the wind blows for distance and is a platoon Sgt. in the US Army. He said he feels like he is in his 20s. A third example is a friend of mine from South Carolina who is 60. He recently deadlift 500 for 3 reps, every year since his 20s he has deadlifted 500 for 3 on his birthday. He has beat cancer and a severe fall that lead to a major head injury and guess what? He still lifts every single day and swears it helped him whoop cancer and his fall.

I don't fear the later years. Bring them on. I will be exercising until the day they lay me in the ground, pain free.

The scientific evidence I seek is how exercise harms the heart, but I will take how it harms the body at all. Again, you are talking about repetitive movement for 2 hours a day, I am talking about exercising to your limits for 20-60 minutes every day.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Rwalker On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:02 pm

Let me add why I am fairly passionate about this. I have been training in some way, shape, or form since I was 12. It started then because I was a tiny kid who wanted to play football and it stayed with me through all the ups and downs that life has thrown at me.

I pursued a degree in exercise physiology because the science of exercise and what it does to every single molecule of the body was interesting to me. The more I learned, the more I wanted to know about the human body under stressful situations and how the age old saying, "the more you sweat in training the less you bleed in war" rings true. I too have seen far too many people die young of things they could have prevented. Before changing careers I helped may clients come off cholesterol meds, blood pressure meds, and type 2 diabetes meds just by changing the way they ate and lived. It is amazing to me how many people are suffering with debilitating diseases that could be prevented by simply exercising and stop shoveling processed food down their necks. When my wife and I first met I took her cholesterol from 250 to 140 just by adjusting her diet and adding weight training to her workout. She was a cardio only person. Her dad has been on cholesterol meds for years and survived 2 major heart attacks before he turned 50. He is in his late 60s now and healthy because he stopped smoking and starting exercising.

As I started a family of my own my head filled with situations and how and if I could handle them. What if my house were on fire and I had to carry my family out? What if I had to hold onto my kids in rushing water? Do I have the strength to carry my unconscious wife to safety? Do I have the stamina and strength to pull my kids to safety? Can I survive the moment of impact if under attack and make sure my family is safe? All these things fill my head, and my training; whether it is with weapons of all kinds, fighting, or simply with weights and cardio, is based around this. If a mountain lion grabbed your kid by the head and was dragging him out of the yard, what would you do? Could you handle it, make the right choices, or would you freeze in fear.

Of course, all hypothetical situations. But so is all my food storage, ammo storage, canning, prepping, etc. It is all hypothetical, until you wake up one day and the world as you know it is no more and only the strong survive.

If this pushes some buttons, so be it. I don't want to have to rely on a firearm 100%. I want to be able to protect my family at all costs in all situations. So I train.
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Re: Exercise

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:10 pm

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitnes ... heart.aspx
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/ ... the-heart/

"In another study, researchers found that running at moderate speeds was linked with a lower risk of death from any cause compared to no running. More intense running didn't yield additional benefit."

We get it RW, you're passionate about your lifestyle.
All fine and dandy, you asked what others on here do for exercise and then go a bit off kilter when you get feedback you don't agree with.

I gave you what my routine was @ 50yrs old...I'm in the best shape I've been in since my 30's. I'm happy with myself, you're like really happy with yourself... and I'm happy for you. Just don't tell us One Size Fit's All...it doesn't, Fact.

Ease up OK? It's not like we're flaming you.
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